'Wild Things'
People aren't always what they appear to be. Don't forget that. The Ringer's Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Mallory Rubin head down to Blue Bay to investigate the 1998 erotic thriller 'Wild Things,' starring Matt Dillon, Kevin Bacon, Denise Richards, and Neve Campbell.

Cast
Matt Dillon as Sam Lombardo
Kevin Bacon as Sgt. Ray Duquette
Neve Campbell as Suzie Toller
Denise Richards as Kelly Van Ryan
Bill Murray as Ken Bowden
Theresa Russell as Sandra Van Ryan
Robert Wagner as Tom Baxter
Directed by: John McNaughton
Written by: Stephen Peters
Notes
- $20 million budget, $67.2 million box office, 108 minutes runtime. Three direct-to-DVD sequels: 'Wild Things' 2, Diamonds in the Rough, and 'Wild Things': Foursome.
- Robert Downey Jr. was originally cast as Sam Lombardo but couldn't get insured due to drug issues. Matt Dillon got the part instead.
- Kevin Bacon described the script as 'the trashiest thing you ever read, couldn't wait to do it.'
- Bill Murray was in the movie because he was buddies with director John McNaughton from Mad Dog and Glory. His role in the final stinger was added late per producer Peter Guber after test screenings showed audiences loved Murray and Neve Campbell together.
- Sam and Ray were supposed to have a gay relationship / shower sex scene – Matt Dillon refused to film it. Bill thinks cutting it weakened the movie.
- Neve Campbell had a strict no-nudity clause (supposedly from her Party of Five contract). Denise Richards had a detailed contract specifying exactly what nudity was allowed. Richards said she didn't drink margaritas before filming the threesome scene but did enjoy kissing Campbell.
- The unrated extended cut has a deleted scene revealing Susie is Sandra Van Ryan's half sister and Kelly's aunt – radically changes character motivations. Director McNaughton was furious about the unrated cut: 'I hated it. It's exploitative, sleazy... destroys emotional storytelling.'
- A dead body was found in the swamp during filming, halting production.
- Film was retitled 'Sex Crimes' in France, Italy, and Belgium.
- Kevin Bacon's nudity scene: the editor was a woman who, after audiences saw topless women all movie, said of Bacon's full frontal 'this one's for us.' Bacon later showed it all again in Hollow Man.
- Extended discussion about the death of erotic thrillers – internet porn killed the genre by making nudity too accessible. 'Wild Things' was one of the last of its kind.
- Van Lathan's 'first 9 minutes' became a running joke for the entire second half of the podcast after he mentioned how quickly the movie hooks you.
- Five end-credit stingers revealing additional twists – pre-MCU post-credits innovation. Bill: 'They're still explaining the plot during the closing titles.'
Categories
Quote from Rog's review:
“Lurid trash with a plot so twisted they're still explaining it during the closing titles. It's like a three-way collision between a softcore sex film, a soap opera, and a B-grade noir.”
- Bill: Ebert gave it three stars and loved it. 'The kind of movie where Ebert's like, I know what this is, and I appreciate what this is.'
- Mallory: Three-star Ebert reviews are the sweet spot – smart enough to know it's trash, having too much fun to care.
- Bill: The motel threesome scene – has the reveal that they're all in cahoots, the champagne bottle fake-out, the evil Superman curl on Dillon. 'This is the scene the whole movie is building to.'
- Mallory: Same – the threesome into the champagne reveal. The moment the audience realizes the movie they've been watching is completely different from what they thought.
- Van: The pool scene with Denise Richards. Runner-up: the motel scene.
- Bill: Smash Mouth, Sugar Ray, Third Eye Blind on the soundtrack – peak late-90s radio rock. The Pacey/teacher storyline on Dawson's Creek the same year. Bacon's camcorder surveillance.
- Mallory: The cast itself screams 1998. No ballistics evidence at the murder scene – just wouldn't fly now.
- Van: Teachers and students as a plot device you could still do in 1998 without the movie becoming about that.
- Bill: The stingers – five end-credit reveals before the MCU made post-credits mandatory. Paved the way for the 'side dick' era (Affleck in 'Gone Girl'). The poster is still iconic.
- Mallory: Class warfare elements. South Florida sex scandals still happening every year. Threesomes as a legitimate plot device.
- Van: The goth aesthetic. Short shorts. The fact that this movie predicted the entire MCU post-credits structure.
- Bill: Teacher accused of sleeping with students – in 2025 he'd never get to calmly clean out his office. Not filming the Sam/Ray shower sex scene that was in the original script.
- Mallory: The unauthorized extended/unrated cut that McNaughton disowned. No-nudity clauses being treated as a problem rather than an actor's right.
- Van: The death of the erotic thriller genre itself. Internet porn killed it by making nudity too accessible.
- Van: Matt Dillon as evil Superman with the curl – 'great shot Gordo.'
- Mallory: Wet Denise Richards in the foyer after the rain. Kelly emerging from the community pool.
- Bill: Kevin Bacon's wide-eyed reaction watching the pool scene on the monitor.
- Bill: Third Eye Blind, Smash Mouth, 'Why Can't We Be Friends' – amazing pace of late 90s music that abruptly stops about 40 minutes in. Theory: they ran out of music budget.
- Van: The soundtrack goes so hard in the first act and then just disappears. It's jarring.
- Mallory: South Florida is underutilized for plot – great for atmosphere but they should've had more alligator deaths, more swamp danger.
- Bill: The original screenplay should have had Sam and Ray's gay relationship intact. Cutting it weakened the movie and removed a whole layer of the con.
- Bill: Neve Campbell should have dropped the no-nudity clause or found another movie. 'You're invited to the BBQ, we're serving ribs and meat.'
- Mallory: The scheme is unnecessarily convoluted – should have just killed Sandra Van Ryan and taken the money directly instead of all the elaborate misdirection.
- Bill: Robert Downey Jr. was originally Sam Lombardo – he would have been incredible but couldn't get insured.
- Mallory: Natasha Lyonne auditioned for Susie. Tara Reid auditioned for Kelly.
- Van: Kevin Bacon flipping on the PlayStation: 'You want to say that to my face?'
- Mallory: Theresa Russell's entire performance as Sandra Van Ryan. 'My daughter does not get raped in Blue Bay.'
- Bill: Tried Craig's stealth system – Robert Wagner, who for Craig's generation is #2 from Austin Powers.
- Mallory: Jeff Perry.
- Bill: Bill Murray is the unanimous Dion Waiters Award winner. His lawyer character is only in a few scenes but steals every one.
Van: His 'great shot Gordo' moment – pulling up the evil Superman photo printout of Matt Dillon with the curl.
Bill: Scarlett Johansson – five years too young at the time but would have been perfect for Susie. She played a similar role in The Perfect Score.
- Bill: A dead body halted filming in the swamp. Kevin Bacon's no-nudity clause story. Film retitled 'Sex Crimes' in France, Italy, and Belgium.
- Van: The Kevin Bacon shower scene editorial decision – the female editor said 'this one's for us' after a movie full of topless women.
- All: Denise Richards, 100%. This is the role she'll be remembered for.
- Bill: Neve Campbell combined with Scream. Matt Dillon combined with Something About Mary the same year.
- Van: Blue Bay, Florida. High school sailing teams. Champagne used as a fake gun.
Bill: Both, but Sam Lombardo is Cruise. There's no place for Hanks in this movie at all. Cruz could be a great Sam Lombardo – this was one year before 'Eyes Wide Shut'.
All: Scorsese.
- Van: His flex category 'How Van Lathan Gets Out of This One' – caught at the Tropic Motel with two young white women, needs an elaborate political excuse.
- Craig: 'The Devil Wears Prada' Award – is this movie perfect for what it tried to do? Yes.

- Van: Matt Dillon evil Superman curl – 'great shot Gordo.'
- Bill: Kelly emerging from the pool in slow motion.
- Mallory: Kevin Bacon's wide-eyed reaction shot watching the surveillance footage.
- Van: Do you stop having sex to answer the phone? His big recurring question throughout.
- Mallory: Susie's teeth are fixed despite being in hiding with no money. Where was Susie staying while supposedly dead? How did she get to the Caribbean without an ID? Cell phone technology would destroy this plot instantly – Mallory's Sarah Connor Award.
- Bill: Kelly wasn't supposed to be killed per Sam's plan, but that makes no sense given the scheme.
- Mallory: Would be a really good 6-8 episode Hulu or Apple show.
- Bill: In 2006 they developed a sequel script called 'Backstabbers' with Neve Campbell but it never got made.
Van: Wayne Jenkins as Kevin Bacon's dirty cop character.
- Mallory: The score.
- Bill: Bill Murray for Best Supporting Actor.
- Van: What sport did Sam play at Miami? (They decide baseball.)
- Mallory: Did Sandra kill the father? Who took the photos of Sam and Kelly?
- Bill: Did Susie also poison Ken Bowden's soda?
- Van: The champagne bottle.
- Mallory: Sam's educator of the year trophy. Susie's two teeth.
- Van: Susie's wig.
- All: People aren't always what they appear to be.
- Van: Offshore accounts and no loose ends.
- Mallory: 'Cruel Intentions'.
- Van: Sliver.
- Bill: Masquerade (1988) with Rob Lowe.
- Bill: Denise Richards. This is her movie.
- Van: Denise Richards, unanimous. Honorable mention: Kevin Bacon's dick.
Craig: Loved it – 'just about everything you want in a movie, checks every box.' Every twist caught him by surprise. 'Raw entertainment at its core.' Loved the Jeep. Loves famous talented people doing B movies.