June 03, 2025

'Out for Justice'

Has anybody seen Richie? The Ringer's Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt need to find Richie before rewatching the 1991 action classic 'Out for Justice,' starring Steven Seagal and William Forsythe.

Movie poster

Cast

Steven Seagal as Gino Felino

William Forsythe as Richie Madano

Jerry Orbach as Captain Ronnie Donziger

Dominic Chianese as Don Vittorio

John Leguizamo as Drug dealer

Gina Gershon as Patty Madano

Julianna Margulies as Vicki Lupo

Shannon Whirry as Strip joint waitress

Directed by: John Flynn

Written by: David Lee Henry

Notes

  • Kyle Brandt has been lobbying for this movie for five years, since his first Rewatchables in 2020 ('Teen Wolf'). His favorite Seagal movie – 'the most Seagal of the Seagal movies.'
  • Third Seagal Rewatchables (after 'Hard to Kill' and 'Under Siege'). Fourth of Seagal's filmography: Above the Law (1988), 'Hard to Kill' (1990), Marked for Death (1990), 'Out for Justice' (1991).
  • $14 million budget, made $39.6 million. Number one movie in America for two weeks until knocked out by Ninja Turtles. Critics hated it.
  • Ebert didn't review it. Siskel & Ebert gave it two thumbs down on their TV show.
  • Director John Flynn (Rolling Thunder, Best Seller, Lock Up) originally titled it 'The Price of Our Blood.' Warner Brothers mandated a three-word title to match other Seagal films.
  • The movie was originally much longer with more plot and characters. Warner Brothers demanded sub-90 minutes (final runtime: 1hr 27min). Two montage scenes exist because of the cuts. Multiple William Forsythe scenes were cut because Seagal was threatened by how good Forsythe was.
  • Seagal gave Forsythe (who was actually from Brooklyn) pointers on his Brooklyn accent. Forsythe's reaction: 'You're giving me pointers on a Brooklyn accent?'
  • Seagal hosted SNL around this time and became the most reviled host in SNL history. Bob Odenkirk story: Seagal would only do the Hans and Franz sketch if he got to beat them up at the end.
  • The infamous Gene LeBell incident: Seagal claimed nobody could choke him unconscious. Stunt coordinator Gene LeBell (10th-degree red belt in judo) allegedly choked him out, and Seagal reportedly soiled himself. Seagal denies it; LeBell has neither confirmed nor denied it. The guys set FanDuel odds at -125 that it happened.
  • Starts with an Arthur Miller quote ('While to the stranger's eye, one street was no different from one another...') and within 2.5 minutes Seagal is beating up a pimp.
  • Richie was inspired by Gus Ferracci, a Bonanno family associate who was subject of a manhunt and eventually caught and killed by a mob hitman.
  • Seagal cast Julianna Margulies. She later said he would yell at her on the Warner Brothers lot during ER: 'Margulies, come over here and show me some respect.' She says: 'He's not someone I keep in contact with.'
  • John Leguizamo is in the movie but doesn't interact with Seagal. He later said Seagal hurt him on Executive Decision by slamming him against the wall. Forsythe also said he got hurt during the fight scene.

Categories

Most re-watchable scene
  • Bill and Kyle (unanimous): The pool hall scene – Seagal walks in asking 'Anybody seen Richie?' and proceeds to destroy 12 guys. Features the cue ball wrapped in a bar towel (Bill: 'the number one action movie weapon trick'), the hot dog ad-lib ('Whose hot dog is this? Is this yours?'), Tattoo from Attica getting his teeth knocked out ('There's only two things stopping you – fear and common sense'), the $5,000 bounty on his badge, Styx being called in for a stick fight, and the phone booth takedown. Kyle: 'I don't think there's a movie scene in history that I enjoy more.' Seagal himself said this was his personal favorite among all his fight scenes.
  • Bill: Opening credits – pimp getting beaten by Seagal, freeze frame of Seagal peeking into the car. 'The most 80s/90s moment of the movie.'
  • Bill: The beret scene – Gino sees Bobby's body, tells Sarge he's going to hunt the killers down, doing his full Enzo-from-The-Godfather impression.
  • Bill: Richie goes nuts in the bar – 'Forsythe just cooking.'
  • Bill: The final shootout – Seagal shoots somebody's leg off with a shotgun ('from his ankle down just comes off his body'). Then fights Forsythe who keeps landing next to new weapons (rolling pin, knife, corkscrew, frying pan) like a Bugs Bunny cartoon, but none of them work.
The most 1991 thing about this movie
  • Kyle: The Joe Montana LA Gear billboard – giant billboard saying 'Unstoppable' with Montana throwing a football, visible in the wide shot of Bobby Lupo's murder scene. 'So perfect. So 1991.'
  • Bill: Early 90s rap songs on the soundtrack, including the Beastie Boys. Also Shannon Whirry. 'It was a really distinct time for music and the movie actually weirdly captures it.'
What aged the best?
  • Bill: Julianna Margulies – her first movie, looks young and great, 'very young person on ER kind of vibe,' and is one of the best actors in the movie. Clearly talented, immediately tears up and is terrified of Richie.
  • Bill: The director John Flynn's thoughts on Seagal – 'I didn't get along with Steven. He was always about an hour late for work and caused a lot of delays.'
  • Kyle: The cast in general – Margulies, Uncle Junior (Dominic Chianese), Vinny, 'just wonderful actors everywhere and they don't belong in a piece of shit action movie.'
  • Bill: Seagal's line 'He's killing people like it's free.' Also: Gino having an awesome relationship with mob boss Don Vittorio – 'apparently the most powerful person in Brooklyn is just sitting around waiting to hang out with him.'
  • Bill: Jerry Orbach's peak from 87-89 (Dirty Dancing, Crimes and Misdemeanors, 'Someone to Watch Over Me', Last Exit to Brooklyn) leading to this. Kyle: 'He does the one for them and then the one for himself.' Right after this he gets Law & Order and Beauty and the Beast.
  • Bill: Any movie where a police Sergeant says 'I'm getting too old for this shit' – Jerry Orbach rips it off perfectly.
Most cinematic shot

Kyle (winner): The opening freeze frame – Seagal beats up the pimp, flips him over into a car, and you see from the car angle a shot of Seagal peeking in and it freeze frames. 'It makes me so happy. It's the best shot in the movie.'

Best needle drop
  • Bill (winner): Beastie Boys' 'No Sleep Till Brooklyn' right after Gino rescues the puppy. Kyle: 'License to Ill had been out four years at that point and it's still awesome. He's not sleeping until he kills Richie. So it's perfect.'
  • Also: 'Shake the Firm' by Cool J. Bill: 'It's the movie. 91.'
Weak link of the movie
  • Kyle: Seagal's wife (the actress playing Vicki). 'Seagal's wife is the weak link for me.'
  • Bill: Everything about Gino's puppy adoption – in the first 20 minutes of adoption, the dog is in a car chase bouncing around, no crate, no shots, no acknowledgment that the dog might be sick or scared. 'Just give us a crate.' Kyle agrees the dog subplot is there to make Seagal likable because 'everybody loves puppies.'
What aged the worst?
  • Kyle: Richie's crew's fashion – 'the baddest guy in Brooklyn is wearing a top button silk shirt from Structure in the mall that never becomes untucked. He's got his bro in the windsuit like a mall walking mom.' Everything about early 90s mob fashion looks ridiculous.
  • Bill and Kyle: Seagal himself has aged the worst. 'At best he's highly problematic. At worst he's reprehensible human garbage.' Standard disclaimer for Seagal podcasts.
Over-acting award
  • Bill: Seagal – impossible for anyone to beat him.
  • Kyle: 'No pussy since 1969' guy – the paraplegic in the wheelchair who has 30 seconds of screen time. 'He is so worked up. He's so nervous the whole time and clearly on drugs. He owns every second of it.'
The hottest take award
  • Kyle: Steven Seagal should have played Tony Soprano. 'David Chase, obviously a fan of this movie – half the Sopranos call sheet is in this movie.' Points to the scene with Uncle Junior (Dominic Chianese) as a de facto screen test. 'He has the physicality, the unsettling sexual presence of Tony. Marlon Brando isn't Italian either, neither is James Caan. And the weight is coming for Seagal, don't worry.' He'd cast Gandolfini as Johnny Sack running the New York family.
  • Bill: CSI Brooklyn was sitting there for Seagal in 1999. Like David Caruso leaning into unintentional comedy with CSI Miami. 'But Seagal's reputation was so bad, people wanted to get in and out in a 90 minute movie with him and that's it.'
Re-casting couch
  • Bill: Annabella Sciorra as Gino's wife – perfect time in her career.
  • Kyle: Mia Sara (Sloane Peterson from Ferris Bueller). 'Her real name is Mia Sara Pochiello, and she was born and raised in Brooklyn.' Same age as the actress who plays Vicki. 'She could go from Ferris Bueller's girlfriend to Gino Felino's wife.'
  • Bill: Paul Sorvino as the head of the crime family – could have done 'Goodfellas' in 90, this in 91, and The Firm in 93. 'Triple Crown of crime family heads.'
Half-assed (internet) research
  • Caraggio (the puppy's name) is Italian for courage or bravery.
  • Richie was inspired by Gus Ferracci, a Bonanno family associate subject of a manhunt, eventually caught and killed by a mob hitman.
  • The theatrical trailer shows deleted scenes: Richie shooting inside a clothing store, and the police captain telling Gino his body count is coming up.
  • Originally titled 'The Price of Our Blood' – Warner Brothers mandated the three-word title format so the trailer could say 'Steven Seagal is... 'Out for Justice'.'
  • Leguizamo complained after Executive Decision that Seagal hurt him. Forsythe also got hurt during the fight scene. Seagal 'works rough' like a bad wrestler.
  • Shannon Whirry story: Seagal asked 'What the fuck is the ribbon for?' about her yellow ribbon. She replied: 'I'm trying to dry your eyes upwards... when you're looking at my ribbon, you're really looking at my tits.' Seagal liked her sense of humor and they got along after that.
  • The Gene LeBell choke-out incident on set. LeBell said in 2012: 'Sometimes Steven has a tendency to cheese off the wrong people.'
Apex Mountain
  • Seagal: Maybe, but probably 'Under Siege' (his next movie, bigger hit, gets a sequel). This leads directly to 'Under Siege'.
  • Forsythe: Bill says yes. Coming off Dick Tracy, this is the best he's ever been.
  • Gershon: No – Bill had 'Cocktail' (1988), but she's in some good stuff later ('Face/Off', Bound).
  • Brooklyn as a TV/movie location: Yes for mob movies and pool hall fight scenes.
  • Kyle: Ad-lib weapons – 'the cue ball in the bar towel beats everything, including Bourne and the Joker's pencil in 'The Dark Knight'.'
Cruise or Hanks?
Cruise wins

Split! Bill: Cruise. Kyle: Hanks (citing Road to Perdition – 'Hanks kicks ass and has machine guns and kills people in cold blood. I couldn't hear Cruise doing that accent.'). Craig breaks the tie: Cruise. Craig: 'Hanks would be too aware to do this movie. Cruise has that perfect blend of unaware to pull it off.' Bill: 'This is still the 'Cocktail'/Far and Away era of Cruise where he wasn't self-aware.'

Scorsese or Spielberg?

Scorsese (unanimous) – since they're ripping off 'Goodfellas' anyway. Kyle: 'Replace No Sleep Till Brooklyn with Paint It Black and it's a Scorsese movie.'

Picking nits
  • Bill: Gino finds cocaine, money, and sex Polaroids in Bobby's desk – 'this is the biggest cop murder in New York City of the year and nobody looked at his desk for three days.'
  • Bill: The Polaroids are posed with a third party clearly taking the photos. Kyle's defense: 'Maybe the Polaroid camera had a timer.'
  • Bill: Bobby's widow keeps a dirty sex Polaroid in her purse. 'Just carrying that around in the grocery store.'
  • Kyle: In the baseball scene, there's a samurai sword in the hallway at child eye-level. 'When that kid's friends come over they're going to kill each other with that thing.'
  • Bill: Gino gets a call that his best friend has been murdered and 'could not be less upset. Doesn't even try to act. Doesn't do the what?' Kyle: 'That tells me that was the one more take – they gave it a few tries and that's the best we're going to get.'
Best "that guy"

Bill: Dominic Chianese (Uncle Junior from The Sopranos, Johnny Ola from Godfather Part II). One scene in this movie and 'he's like De Niro in Raging Bull.' Somehow looks older here than in the first season of Sopranos 10 years later. His IMDb top 4: Godfather Part II, Sopranos, Dog Day Afternoon, '...And Justice for All'. 'Out for Justice' doesn't crack it.

Best "heat check" performance
  • Winner: Styx – 'just in the back in a jogging suit, in case there's a stick fight.' When stuff escalates, Vinny calls him in like Joe Torre calling Mariano. He wins all his stick fights except against Seagal. Bill: 'Styx getting the Dion Waiters in a cast full of Tony and Emmy Award-winning actors is why we do this.'
  • Other nominees: the pimp in the opening, Shannon Whirry, Gina Gershon, Tattoo.
Would this movie be better with...?
  • Kyle: Daniel Plainview walking into the bar – 'Ladies and gentlemen, if I say I'm looking for Richie, you'll agree I've traveled over half of Brooklyn to be here tonight. This is my son, Tony.'
  • Bill: Doris Burke for scene-setting – 'This young man, Richie, has just been running amok in Brooklyn. It's like France and Germany in World War 2.'
Just one Oscar, who gets it?

Forsythe for Best Supporting Actor. Kyle: 'He would have had to beat Jack Palance in 'City Slickers' and two nominees from Bugsy. I think we could at least give him a nomination.'

(Probably) unanswerable questions
  • Has anyone seen Richie?
  • Why did Richie kill Bobby? Kyle: 'It's a little unclear. I think they were sleeping with the same woman.' Bill: 'There are definitely some scenes missing.'
  • Kyle: Has Steven Seagal ever in his life held a baseball, let alone thrown one? 'I think the answer may be no.'
What memorabilia would you want (or not want!) from the movie?
  • Bill: The baseball glove that Seagal wears in the movie – 'it's the only time his hand has ever gone into one. He holds it like Kuato from 'Total Recall'.'
  • Kyle: The bar towel with the cue ball. 'I need the towel as well – it's part and parcel.'
  • Kyle: The beret.
Best (or worst!) life lessons from the movie

Bill: Just tell Gino if you saw Richie and save everyone a lot of time.

Best double feature for this movie
  • Bill: 'Hard to Kill' – 'you can watch him with a normal accent and he'll try to be Italian.'
  • Kyle: Marked for Death – 'Gino fighting Hatcher fighting Screwface.'
Who won the movie?

Seagal. Kyle: 'It led to 'Under Siege' and another #1 movie. You can't take your eyes off him. We make fun of him, but in 3 or 4 movies, I really like watching him and I'll watch those movies until the day I die.'

Producer review

Craig: 'I really have fallen in love with these movies. It's some of Seagal's best work. He's really the only movie star you could more easily convince somebody who's never heard of him that he is an adult film star acting in a porn parody of a real movie than actually acting in a legit Hollywood film. It's like a Truman Show experiment – can we convince a random guy that he's a good actor while making the worst movies possible?' Also thought the stick fighting was legitimately well done. Soft hottest take: 'We need to bring back movie dictators – one person with complete control. Everything is so market-tested now that when movies are bad, they're watered-down bad. We need someone whose brain decides what goes in the film, because then you get gems like this.'