'Just One of the Guys'
The Ringer's Bill Simmons and Joanna Robinson are joined by Kyle Brandt to pursue a career in journalism after they revisit the 1985 teen comedy 'Just One of the Guys,' starring Joyce Hyser, Clayton Rohner, and Billy Jayne.

Cast
Joyce Hyser as Terri Griffith
Billy Jayne as Buddy Griffith
Clayton Rohner as Rick Morehouse
William Zabka as Greg Tolan
Sherilyn Fenn as Sandy
Directed by: Lisa Gottlieb
Written by: Dennis Feldman, Jeff Franklin
Notes
- Based on Shakespeare's Twelfth Night. Kyle, the English major, brings this up repeatedly. Joanna notes that She's the Man (2006) with Amanda Bynes is a more direct Twelfth Night adaptation.
- Made $11.5M on a $5M budget, then became an HBO/Comedy Central staple for years. Columbia put all their ad money behind John Travolta's Perfect instead, which bombed. The cast gets $0.17 per cable airing.
- Joyce Hyser's Hollywood connections are staggering: dated Bruce Springsteen for five years (he visited the set), Jack Nicholson, Warren Beatty (lived with him 1.5 years), was on L.A. Law, and almost got Dr. Melfi on The Sopranos (lost to Lorraine Bracco). Kyle can't recover from the Melfi revelation.
- Billy Jacoby (credited as Billy Jayne) is the episode's breakout star. Bill's hottest take: it's an all-time 80s comedy performance with a '90% batting average.' The director cast him immediately: 'I have 14-year-old Bill Murray in my office.' He was 15 on set with his older sister as chaperone, 'after every girl on the set.' Stopped acting in 2010; last credit is MILF Manor (TLC, 2023). Has three ex-wives.
- They modeled Joyce Hyser's male disguise after Ralph Macchio from 'The Karate Kid', which was filming around the same time. Joanna thinks she's actually convincing as a guy – more so than Amanda Bynes in She's the Man.
- William Zabka's 'Bully Trilogy': Karate Kid, then 'Just One of the Guys', then Back to School. Kyle says after Karate Kid was a massive hit, his agent should have steered him away from another bully-on-a-beach role. Zabka was apparently a born-again Christian on set – 'all the girls wanted to sleep with him and all he wanted to do is sing them songs.'
- The James Brown anecdote: the Godfather of Soul allegedly spent 3-5 days on set choreographing Clayton Rohner's prom dance moves. Multiple cast members confirm it in separate interviews. Bill: 'I don't know if I believe it, but it's very adamant that this happened.'
- Filmed in Phoenix and Scottsdale, Arizona but supposed to be California. Arizona license plates are visible. There's a beach prom in landlocked Arizona. Bill: 'What state are we in?' is his top unanswerable question.
- Kyle's hottest take: Paul Thomas Anderson ripped off this movie for 'Boogie Nights' – 'whole movie with a character hiding something, and at the end, the big reveal.' Bill is 'almost in awe' of the take.
- Joyce Hyser was initially against the topless scene (no nudity in her contract). Director Lisa Gottlieb persuaded her. Rosanna Arquette told Hyser: 'People will look at you and see those breasts forever, even when you're an old lady.' Hyser later said she wished she'd done nudity more often.
- Bill categorizes his 80s movies into five tiers: The Great (Breakfast Club, Fast Times, 'Risky Business'), The Huge (16 Candles, Ferris Bueller, Karate Kid), The Sports ('Vision Quest', All the Right Moves), The Horny Crazy (Class, 'Weird Science', 'Teen Wolf'), and The Perfect (Secret Admirer, 'Can't Buy Me Love', 'Just One of the Guys').
- April 1985 had four teen movies in theaters simultaneously: 'Just One of the Guys', Girls Just Want to Have Fun, 'The Sure Thing', and 'The Breakfast Club'. Kyle: 'This is why your generation rules.'
Categories
- Bill: Buddy's first scene – 'I've had lots of sex, it's just now I'd like to try with a partner,' 'I'm 15 years old and in two years I've reached the peak of my sexual powers,' and 'Horny will kick embarrassment's ass anytime.' Also the big reveal: 'Where do you get off having tits?'
- Joanna: Buddy teaching Terry how to be a dude – the tube socks down the jeans, the ball-scratching tutorial. 'All balls itch. It's a fact.'
- Kyle: The big reveal scene. Also Rick standing up to Greg on the beach – 'Nonviolent' turned violent with Rick's surprise jab game.
- Joanna: Kevin's Magnum P.I. short shorts inseam when he arrives at the beginning.
- Kyle: The Carlton cigarette ad on the back of Buddy's magazine – bragging about having less tar than competitors.
- Bill (winner): Every single outfit Debbie/Sandy wears, especially the yellow Madonna outfit that had maybe a 'four-week window' of cultural relevance. Also: Terry's word processor, aspiring to be a newspaper writer, Buddy's sleeveless jeans jacket, calling a beer a 'brewski,' the prom band with high hair and dagger guitars, and high school kids dressing as Trekkies.
- Kyle: Having an older sibling whose friends come over when you're 14 – 'it's Sodom and Gomorrah.' Also outdoor high schools with sunshine and cactuses (vs. his O'Hare Airport Hilton prom).
- Joanna: This is a sex comedy directed by a woman (Lisa Gottlieb), like Fast Times (Amy Heckerling) and Valley Girl (Martha Coolidge). These aged much better than the male-directed 80s sex comedies – 'nothing in this movie that makes me cringe.'
- Bill: Parents being gone for the entire movie – half the 80s movie plots. Also calling your dick 'Spike,' 'I'd rather wallow in my virginity,' and bullies using insults like 'Tulip' and 'chum stains.' The extensive research lore around the topless scene and the James Brown choreography story.
- Bill: 'Trouble' by Lindsey Buckingham drops nicely. The prom song 'Hard Way' ('standing in a hot cool') is not bad – might have been the band's own song.
- Kyle: The opening credits song 'Girls Got Something Boys Don't Got' sounds like it was made in 15 minutes. Also the title song 'One of the Guys' is pretty bad – 'they had no money for pop music so they made really bad shit on a Yamaha synthesizer.'
- Bill: The Cyndi Lauper mispronunciation ('Lauper' instead of 'Lauper'). Can't believe they didn't do a second take. Kyle: 'It'd be like saying Madonna instead of Madonna.' Craig: 'Director's fault.'
- Joanna: Rick as a character – 'I would do a few more passes on Rick.' James Brown is not enough of a draw for the leading lady.
- Bill: Terry confronting her professor after overhearing them talk about how hot she is, and he goes 'Well, you're a pretty girl, you could be a model.' Even for 1985, brutal. Also: Sherilyn Fenn's 90s cultural significance no longer carrying the same weight. Setting up a high school senior on a double date with a 6th grader.
- Joanna: Trans jokes that haven't aged well. Also using 'Tulip' as a slur replacement is interesting but some gender commentary is rough.
- Kyle: Shirts and skins in gym class – 'unfathomable' now as a youth sports coach. Jock straps everywhere in 80s movies. Mandatory nude showers – 'our gym teacher said no bathing suits, this is a nude shower.'
- Kyle: Paul Thomas Anderson ripped off this movie for 'Boogie Nights'. Whole movie hiding something about the character, then the big reveal in the final scene. 'PTA was an apology.' Bill: 'I'm almost in awe of that take.' Joanna: 'It's scorching.'
- Joanna: Joyce Hyser should have had a bigger career. Debbie Mazar took Joyce Hyser's career – same Queens girl energy.
- Bill: Billy Jacoby gives an all-time 80s comedy performance. Batting average is 90%. Compared to Chevy Chase in 'Fletch' and Eddie Murphy's first three movies. 'This kid just hits my frequency. He's going for it for an hour and a half and it fucking kills me every time.'
- Bill: Jennifer Jason Leigh was considered for Terry – Hyser got it over her. Also Patrick Dempsey as Rick for a more nerdy rags-to-riches feel.
- Joanna: Clayton Rohner beat out James LeGros (Point Break's Roach, the original Raylan Givens) for Rick. 'That would have been much better.'
- Craig: Sandra Bullock would have been 19 – Miss Congeniality tomboy energy. Joanna: 'Absolutely not. Sandy can't pass as a guy.' Kyle: Demi Moore with the short haircut.
Bill: The journalism teacher is 'just insane in this movie.' The apology scene at the end where he's shipping Terry and Rick based on her article is 'just bizarre' – 'I can really tell that you care about that guy Rick, are you two kids going to work it out?'
- Bill: Clayton Rohner – appeared in a Beverly Hills 90210 episode as the doctor during Dylan's heroin/car crash arc (Season 5). 'Throwing jabs at Dylan.'
- Joanna: Arye Gross, one of the nerd guys – was on Ellen for '900 years' and played the guy in the opening scene of 'Minority Report' who's about to kill his wife.
- Bill: Dion Waiters Award goes to the Trekkies – 'I seem to be detecting some sort of carbon-based douchebag' (Kyle's pick for best insult). Also the reptile guy with an iguana in the shower.
Bill: Billy Jacoby is throwing 105 mph the entire movie. Even when he doesn't have lines – like sitting next to Terry's friend and trying to make a pass. 'He's almost like watching a dog at a park.' The director said he was 'after every girl on the set' and she 'wouldn't be surprised if he got successful with a couple of them.'
- Joanna: Set it in LA – Santa Monica specifically. Kyle: David Fincher directing. Bill: 'Buddy finally has sex but he has to do it with a blade attached to his dick.'
- Bill: Patrick Dempsey as Rick for the proper nerd-to-cool makeover arc. 'We need to go more nerdy than Clayton Rohner.'
- Joanna: Andrew McCarthy for Rick – 'he can do the nermy guy but he has that cocaine gleam.'
- Bill: Original title was 'I Was a Teenage Boy' – which became the name of Terry's article. They styled Joyce Hyser's male look after Ralph Macchio from 'The Karate Kid'. Clayton Rohner is still upset they used the stunt double for his fence fall.
- Joanna: Clayton Rohner said they got $0.17 per cable airing – 'it paid well for a while.' Jeff Franklin went on to create Full House. Paramount prevented them from using 'Trekkies' so they were 'Trekkies but not actually called that.'
- Bill: Billy Jayne's post-movie interview where he pitches a sequel (Zabka buys out the newspaper, Terry goes undercover again), then says 'I have three ex-wives.' At the 30th anniversary screening, he showed up late with a Scotch in his hand.
- Bill: Every actor in the movie AND the director – except Sherilyn Fenn (Twin Peaks is her apex). Apex mountain for funny teenage boy characters in 80s movies: yes for Billy Jacoby.
- Bill: Apex mountain for the name Jacoby? Nominees: Jacoby Jones (kick return TD in the Super Bowl before the blackout), Dave Jacoby, Jacoby Brissett, Jacoby Ellsbury. Winner: Dave Jacoby, based on his all-caps TV rants.
- Joanna: Cruise as Greg Tolan (the bully). Kyle: 'I'd like to see Cruise in those gloves.' Also considered: Hanks as Buddy.
- Bill: Cruise as Rick – losing-it 'Risky Business' era where he's making bad choices in high school movies. Kyle wrote down 'either Cruise as Zabka or Hanks as Buddy.'
- All: Scorsese. Kyle: 'I can't have Spielberg close to this much sex. He'd make Buddy into dinosaurs. Too much sex for Spielberg.'
- Joanna: 'For Scorsese, we're not having brewskies after school, we're doing coke.' Bill: 'The college boyfriend's definitely doing bumps.'

- Bill: Buddy at breakfast with pizza, Coke, and a sideways Playboy – 'nobody looked at Playboy at breakfast. He did.' Also the big reveal where Terry rips open her shirt.
- Kyle: Greg Tolan putting on his fingerless bullying gloves – 'when it's bullying time, let me get my gloves on.' Also the nerds wearily lifting their lunch trays: 'It's about that time.'
- Bill: Terry leaves school for two weeks in April of senior year to enroll at another high school 4 minutes away. No parents sign off, nobody at the other school recognizes her, and she just goes back to her original school afterward like nothing happened.
- Joanna: Terry's journalism quality – she won a contest but her lead is 'Have you ever wondered what it's like to be inside the guy's locker room? Fate forced yours truly to be a teenage boy!' Kyle: 'It's the worst garbage you've ever read.'
- Kyle: No high school senior girl has a giant Ernest Hemingway poster on her wall. 'He looks pissed and old and bald.' Should have been Woodward and Bernstein at least.
- Bill: Why did Buddy sell out Terry to the boyfriend Kevin? Also: Rick's inexplicable jab game in the beach fight against Greg, who's been training his whole life.
- Joanna: There's a direct-to-video version called Just One of the Girls (1993, later renamed Anything for Love) with Corey Haim and Nicole Eggert where Haim dresses as a girl to join the cheerleading team.
- Bill: Nicole Eggert is 'the queen of direct-to-video.' Also recommends Blown Away (different from the Tommy Lee Jones one) with Corey Haim and Nicole Eggert – 'Corey Feldman gives one of the funniest performances anyone's ever done.'
- Bill: How does Terry go back to her original high school and make up two weeks of missed work? Joanna: 'As far as they can tell, the only class she went to is PE.'
- Bill: What state are we in? Filmed in Phoenix/Scottsdale, Arizona license plates visible, but there's a beach prom. Joanna: 'What beach?'
- Kyle and Bill: Greg Tolan's fingerless bullying/fighting gloves. Bill's son's immediate answer too – 'I couldn't believe I even asked.'
- Joanna: The tube socks from the 'how to be a dude' training sequence.
- Bill: It's OK to transfer schools, dress up like a boy, and ruin multiple lives just to win a newspaper contest.
- Joanna: 'All balls itch. It's a fact.'
- Kyle: 'Horny will kick embarrassment's ass anytime' – Bill calls it a yearbook quote. 'Don't underestimate embarrassment though – it's strong in the late rounds.'
- Joanna and Kyle: Soul Man (1986) with C. Thomas Howell. 'The deeply problematic things you do for academic pursuits.' Comedy Central likely did this exact double feature in the 90s. Kyle met C. Thomas Howell who said every actor his age fought for that role.
- Bill: 'Can't Buy Me Love' – takes us from one side of the mid-80s to the other (1985 to 1987), basically the same kind of premise. '80s movies end with 'Can't Buy Me Love'.'
- Kyle also: Quadruple feature from April 1985 – 'Just One of the Guys', Girls Just Want to Have Fun, 'The Sure Thing', and 'The Breakfast Club'.
- Bill: Best hang in the movie is Terry – when she comes home drunk from The Cave and sees her shitty boyfriend: 'Bummer.' Worst hang: Kevin the college boyfriend, who shows up and drinks wine with her 15-year-old brother.
- Kyle: Best setting for a rewatch is 'dudes in a basement – grown-up sleepover with root beer and video games.' Joanna: 'Peanut gallery ladies night.'
Bill: 1985 Best Supporting Actor nominees – Don Ameche won for Cocoon, William Hickey for Prizzi's Honor, Robert Loggia for Jagged Edge, Eric Roberts for Runaway Train, Klaus Maria Brandauer for Out of Africa. 'I feel like that category was wide open' for Billy Jacoby.
Unanimous: Billy Jacoby. Kyle adds Warren Beatty (for landing Joyce Hyser after this movie).
Craig thought the movie was terrible. Watched it with Liz – both hated it. 'Respectfully, I don't think he quite got to Bill Murray level' on Jacoby. Only liked Zabka. Said everyone's line delivery was rough and there's a 'generational blinder' at play. Defended his generation's equivalent (Accepted with Justin Long). Bill's prediction: 'Craig hated this movie' – confirmed.