April 09, 2024

'The War of the Roses'

The Ringer's Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin, and Amanda Dobbins definitely advise skipping the fish after rewatching the 1989 black comedy 'The War of the Roses,' starring Michael Douglas, Kathleen Turner, and Danny DeVito and directed by Danny DeVito.

Movie poster

Cast

Michael Douglas as Oliver Rose

Kathleen Turner as Barbara Rose

Danny DeVito as Gavin

Sean Astin as Josh Rose

Dan Castellaneta as The Client

Directed by: Danny DeVito

Written by: Michael Leeson

Notes

  • Budget of $26 million, grossed $160 million – 13th highest grossing movie of 1989.
  • Douglas and Turner were the 'Hepburn and Tracy of the 80s' – this was their third and final film together (after Romancing the Stone and Jewel of the Nile). A fourth movie was discussed but never made.
  • Kathleen Turner's career was cut short by health problems.
  • The German title is 'Der Rosenkrieg,' which became synonymous with high-profile divorce in German pop culture.
  • Test audiences were so horrified that Barbara killed the dog and made dog pâté that they cut in a shot showing the dog alive. The dog is never seen again after that scene.
  • 20 minutes of deleted scenes are on YouTube, including a scene where Oliver has an indoor garden that Barbara kills, and a scene explaining why everyone is sweaty at the end.
  • Phil Collins wrote 'Something Happened on the Way to Heaven' for this movie, but it took too long and the offer was taken back. He put it on his album '...But Seriously.'
  • The 1960 British Morgan Roadster Plus 4 featured in the film – reportedly only four of that exact car existed, and they actually wrecked it for the movie.
  • A real-life person got inspired by this movie and received a 70-year prison sentence.
  • A remake was announced with Benedict Cumberbatch and Olivia Colman.
  • Dan Castellaneta (the silent client Gavin tells the story to) went on to voice Homer Simpson.

Categories

Most re-watchable scene
  • Bill Simmons: The dinner for the clients where Oliver pees on the fish, escalating to the monster truck scene and throwing statues/china at each other.
  • Mallory Rubin: Oliver reading his letter to Barbara, leading into Barbara plugging his nostrils.
  • Amanda Dobbins: The dinner party scene into the car/monster truck scene into the Staffordshire figurines being thrown.
Roger Ebert's review

Quote from Rog's review:

The War of the Roses is a black, angry, bitter, unrelenting comedy. A war between the sexes that makes James Thurber's work on the same subject almost resigned by comparison.
Cruise or Hanks?
Cruise wins

Final vote 2-1. Amanda argued Cruise (collateral Cruise + 'Jerry Maguire' energy, can play the cocky dickhead lawyer). Mallory argued Hanks (you have to not like this person, and Hanks turning that on would be compelling). Bill initially said Hanks but switched to Cruise.

What aged the best?
  • The Douglas/Turner chemistry – both as sex symbols and comedic geniuses. The depiction of the stage of marriage where everything your partner does annoys you.
  • The house as the one contested object that represents everything. Liver pâté as a recurring plot device. The framing device giving the story a fable-like quality.
  • The line 'Never apologize for being multi-orgasmic.' The creativity of the revenge tactics.
What aged the worst?
  • Young Michael Douglas's wig – shockingly bad for a major movie. The animal cruelty (cat tossed off a stool, cat run over, fake-throwing food at the dog).
  • The foot job scene (goes on too long). Michael Douglas playing a college-age law student at 45.
Weak link of the movie
  • Bill: The Danny DeVito scenes/framing device – could have made the same movie without him appearing on screen. The first 5 minutes before we see Turner are wasted.
  • Amanda: The floor/decor of the house – very late 80s, gaudy with Staffordshire figurines.
Over-acting award

Danny DeVito – unanimous. His framing device scenes lead to lines like 'I should have seen her toes in the pit of my crotch.' He gave himself a foot job scene at the dinner table while directing the movie.

The hottest take award
  • Mallory: Gavin (DeVito) orchestrated the entire thing as a long con – encouraged Oliver to move back in, stood to benefit from their destruction. A 'Usual Suspects' kind of conspiracy.
  • Amanda: 'The War of the Roses' house is not even a top 20 movie house (she lists 17 better ones including 'Home Alone', Royal Tenenbaums, Something's Gotta Give, Parasite, etc.).
  • Bill: The dog should have actually died in the pâté – it would have been a better, darker movie.
Casting what-ifs

Cher was in the mix for the Barbara Rose role (late 80s, post-Moonstruck era).

Best "that guy"

G.D. Spradlin – the senator in Godfather Part II, also in Apocalypse Now, North Dallas Forty. He plays the older partner in the law firm.

Best "heat check" performance
  • The guy in the hospital whose wife stabbed him ('They're always sorry after') – cooks for about 40 seconds of screen time.
  • Susan the housekeeper. The 'mine too, babe' / 'my house is on fire' guy.
Re-casting couch
  • Director: Jonathan Demme (would bring 'Something Wild' black comedy energy, characters talking into camera, 'Rachel Getting Married' vibes).
  • City: Amanda argues it should be set in Connecticut or Westchester rather than D.C.
Half-assed (internet) research
  • Phil Collins wrote 'Something Happened on the Way to Heaven' for this movie but took too long.
  • 20 minutes of deleted scenes on YouTube. A real person was inspired by this movie and got a 70-year prison sentence.
Apex Mountain
  • Michael Douglas: No – his apex was 1987 ('Fatal Attraction' + 'Wall Street'). Kathleen Turner: No – probably mid-80s (Romancing the Stone era).
  • Danny DeVito: Close – this plus Twins around the same time. Divorce movies: 'Kramer vs. Kramer' is the apex. Revenge pâté: Apex.
Most cinematic shot

Bill: The chandelier falling/swinging. Mallory: The pan up from Oliver's Baccarat crystal symphony past his face to the chandelier as a harbinger.

Picking nits
  • The dog insert shot (clearly added later). Could have cut DeVito scenes for 10 more minutes of Douglas/Turner.
  • Where did Barbara get a monster truck in 1989? The neighbors never called the police despite all the destruction. Would the chandelier fall actually have killed them from ~20 feet?
  • Not filming in actual Nantucket. Michael Douglas playing a college-age law student at 45.
What memorabilia would you want (or not want!) from the movie?

Bill: The wig. Mallory: The chandelier. Amanda: The car PA system from Kathleen Turner's monster truck.

Best (or worst!) life lessons from the movie
  • 'My father used to say there are four things that tell you what a man is: his house, his car, his wife, and his shoes.'
  • 'When a man who makes $450 an hour wants to tell you something for free, you should listen.'
Best double feature for this movie

Mallory: Triple feature – 'Body Heat' + 'Fatal Attraction' + War of the Roses. Bill: Romancing the Stone. Amanda: Mr. & Mrs. Smith.

Who won the movie?

The combo of Douglas and Turner together, but at gunpoint, Kathleen Turner – she has the more fun, active part throughout the whole movie.

Producer review

Producer Craig Horlbeck: 'This movie's genuinely perfect because it's so imperfect.' Loved how deranged and weird it was, called it 'in the we don't make movies like this anymore Hall of Fame, top four not even close.' Compared it to a prequel to 'Gone Girl'.