June 24, 2025

'Die Hard With a Vengeance'

The Ringer's Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan are called back to action to play a lethal game of Simon Says. The guys put down their five-gallon jugs and cover the 1995 action classic 'Die Hard With a Vengeance,' starring Bruce Willis, Samuel L. Jackson, and Jeremy Irons.

Movie poster

Cast

Bruce Willis as John McClane

Samuel L. Jackson as Zeus Carver

Jeremy Irons as Simon Peter Gruber

Directed by: John McTiernan

Written by: Jonathan Hensleigh

Music by: Michael Kamen

Notes

  • Part of New York Month on The Rewatchables. Bill: 'Very few New York movies more New York than 'Die Hard' with a Vengeance.'
  • Roger Ebert gave it 3 stars. Bill: 'Fair.' Ebert called it 'basically a wind-up action toy, cleverly made, delivered with high energy.' But if the plot goes sideways in the last 40%, Ebert's not signing off.
  • Originally a standalone script called 'Simon Says' by Jonathan Hensleigh. Was almost a Brandon Lee movie (he died), then almost became a 'Lethal Weapon' sequel, before landing as 'Die Hard' 3.
  • Joel Silver did not produce this one due to a falling out with Willis. Shane Black was possibly going to write it when Silver was attached. Without Silver, Laurence Fishburne didn't get cast – Silver went on to make The Matrix with him instead.
  • Sean Connery was the first choice for Simon Gruber. He turned it down because he didn't want to play a villain. McTiernan turned down 'Batman' Forever to direct this.
  • Jeremy Irons won the Oscar in 1990 for Reversal of Fortune. CR: 'In the '90s they would just be like, Malkovich – now you're a super villain in 'Con Air'. Ed Harris, come play in The Rock.' Irons hides Simon like the shark in 'Jaws' – doesn't appear until minute 50.
  • The Sam Jackson / Bruce Willis racial dynamic is the center of the movie. Van: 'I fucking love a Black guy and a white guy working together.' CR: 'The first thing you learn about Zeus is we don't need no help from white people.' Made during the OJ trial era.
  • One of the great hangover movies. Willis needs aspirin throughout and mentions his headache about 42 times.
  • McTiernan acknowledged the gold logistics are completely wrong: they would have needed 480 dump trucks. Each gold bar weighs 25 lbs. The Federal Reserve only had about $1.5B, not $140B.
  • The water jug puzzle: CR still doesn't understand it. Bill claims he could solve it. This led to a pitch for the 'Bill Simmons Jug Challenge' on the Ringer network.
  • Bill's hot take: They blew the 'Simon Says' gimmick using it for this movie – it should have been its own franchise (either action or horror). 'Simon Says' basically became Saw.
  • Bill's case for Bruce Willis Apex Mountain: Red hot after 'Pulp Fiction' (1994), this leads to 12 Monkeys, 'Armageddon', Fifth Element, The Siege, Sixth Sense. 'He's the number one call in '95 for anything with action or kind of cool.'
  • Van: This is his favorite 'Die Hard'. CR: 'I wanted to say it but I didn't have the nuts for it.' Bill: 'I think everybody needs to calm down on that take' but concedes it's 'the most entertaining.'

Categories

Roger Ebert's review

Quote from Rog's review:

Die Hard With a Vengeance is basically a wind-up action toy, cleverly made, delivered with high energy.
  • 3 stars. Bill and CR agree it's fair. CR: 'I give this a 2-star review of Ebert's review – he took a couple mph off the fastball.'
  • Ebert's issue: the plot goes sideways in the last 40%. The first 60% is brilliant, but the ending doesn't deliver.
Most re-watchable scene
  • Bill: The opening – 'Summer in the City' playing over NYC shots, then Bonwit Teller explodes. Simon's voice, the Simon Says game begins.
  • CR (winner): Every scene until the boat. 'The first 113 minutes of this movie are perfect.'
  • Van: The race dynamics in the park scene – 'Say it.' 'What?' 'I was going to call you an asshole.'
Best needle drop

Bill (winner): 'Summer in the City' by The Lovin' Spoonful over the opening NYC shots. 'An awesome swerve where you're like, oh, this would be nice... then Bonwit Teller explodes.'

What aged the best?
  • Van (winner): 'I fucking love a Black guy and a white guy working together.' The racial dynamics – Zeus starts with 'we don't need no help from white people' and the movie is about a racial reckoning where they help each other. Made during the OJ trial.
  • CR: One of the great hangover movies. Willis with aspirin – 'couple of aspirin, but then his head's really hurting him.'
  • Bill: Filming all over New York. The 'I think you better take this' phone call trope. Evil brothers seeking revenge.
  • CR: Simon is hidden like the shark in 'Jaws' – shows up at minute 50. 'God damn, Jeremy Irons is blonde and he's killing people.'
  • CR: Two storytelling mechanisms that have aged well – the ticking clock and the treasure hunt through NYC landmarks.
Most cinematic shot
  • Bill: Bonwit Teller exploding.
  • CR: The opening sunrise shots of New York City. 'I'm now hot.'
  • Van: The guy getting cut in half by the wire. 'That is when I realized, oh fuck, they say fuck it in this movie.'
Weak link of the movie
  • CR: The Apocalypse Now problem – the action in the first 60% is so good there's no way to have a finale that tops it. 'The first 113 minutes are perfect and you just can't top the subway car.'
  • Bill: Why is Zeus involved in the last 40 minutes? He's a normal person – at some point it should be 'Thanks for everything, Zeus, go back to your store.'
  • Van: Holly. 'Got sick of it. Stop bringing Holly back. He saved two different cities and Holly's still not fucking with him.'
What aged the worst?
  • Bill: McClane mentioning his headache 42 times gets stale.
  • CR: Explosions in the NYC financial district are touchy post-9/11. The movie released around the Oklahoma City bombing, so they had to do pre-emptive press.
  • Van: McClane's policing style – 'if he thinks that, he just kills you.' Eastern European accent = dead.
  • CR: The reputation of city services – in this movie firefighters, librarians, sanitation workers heroically search schools. 'Now everybody's like, who needs libraries?'
  • Bill: The gold is way heavier than depicted. McTiernan acknowledged they would have needed 480 dump trucks.
The hottest take award
  • CR: Is it hot to say it's the best 'Die Hard' movie? Improved by not imperiling Holly. Van: 'I wanted to say it but I didn't have the nuts for it – this is my favorite one.' Bill: 'Everybody needs to calm down on that take.'
  • Bill: They blew the Simon Says gimmick using it for this movie. It should have been its own franchise – either action or horror. 'It basically became Saw.'
Casting what-ifs
  • Sean Connery was first choice for Simon Gruber. He turned it down – didn't want to play a villain. Bill: 'I don't buy him as evil. Plus him trying to do a German accent.'
  • Laurence Fishburne was considered for Zeus. Joel Silver would have gotten him, but Silver was off the project.
  • Bill: Annabella Sciorra in the Colleen Camp role as McClane's post-divorce girlfriend, adding sexual tension and personal stakes.
  • McTiernan turned down 'Batman' Forever to direct this.
Best "that guy"
  • Bill: Walter Cobb (the police captain played by Larry Bryggman).
  • Kevin Chamberlain as bomb expert Charles Weiss.
  • Colleen Camp discussed but considered too recognizable.
Re-casting couch
  • Bill: Annabella Sciorra in the Colleen Camp part as McClane's new love interest – makes the Holly phone calls land better.
  • CR: Thinking about recasting city services – updating the civic infrastructure characters for modern times.
Half-assed (internet) research
  • Originally a standalone script called 'Simon Says' by Jonathan Hensleigh, meant for Brandon Lee (who died). Then considered for 'Lethal Weapon' before becoming 'Die Hard' 3.
  • Joel Silver didn't produce due to falling out with Willis. Shane Black may have written it if Silver stayed.
  • McTiernan acknowledged the gold logistics are impossible – 480 dump trucks needed. The Federal Reserve only held about $1.5B.
  • The movie came out right around the Oklahoma City bombing; Willis's press tour had a 'no bombing questions' policy.
Apex Mountain
  • Bruce Willis: Bill makes the case – 'Pulp Fiction' (1994) plus this leads to 12 Monkeys, Fifth Element, 'Armageddon', Sixth Sense. 'The number one call in '95.' Also the Demi Moore power couple era.
  • Samuel L. Jackson: Somewhere in this mid-90s era. 'Pulp Fiction' no longer a fluke – he can carry a major movie. Maybe 'Star Wars' (1999) is the actual peak.
  • Jeremy Irons: Probably winning the Oscar for Reversal of Fortune (1990). Or Merchant of Venice.
  • Federal Reserve gold vault: 'Apex Mountain never discussed before – 100% for sure.'
  • 'Die Hard' sequels: Yes, this is the best one.
  • John McClane sidekicks: 'Bigger than Reginald VelJohnson. Bigger than Justin Long.'
Cruise or Hanks?
Cruise wins
  • Easy Cruise. CR: 'Cruise is McClane.' He could also see Cruise as blonde Simon Gruber with the 'Collateral' hair.
  • Bill pitches Cruise with 'Collateral' hair doing a German accent – 'tries it for 10 minutes then forgets, like Valkyrie.'
  • Van: What if Cruise is Zeus? 'Hey, I'm the first gentrifier' running an electronics store in Harlem.
Scorsese or Spielberg?

Scorsese. Bill: 'City movie.' CR agrees – 'Marty.'

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman play?
  • CR: Simon Gruber.
  • Bill: Also the weed cop, or the Graham Greene part (the Joe Lambert character).
Picking nits
  • Bill: Everything after Yankee Stadium feels like they were just trying to figure out how to end the movie.
  • Bill: Zeus leaves his store open for 15 hours and never once mentions it. 'We hear about Holly 45 times but never hear Zeus say, shit, I left my store open.'
  • Bill: Zeus's store is open at 7:45 AM – 'everything being open at 7:45 in this neighborhood is a little dicey.'
  • Van: The dump trucks going through the city unnoticed during an emergency.
  • Bill: The headache references – 42 times is too many.
Sequel, prequel, prestige TV or untouchable?

Bill: Simon Says as its own franchise – either horror (basically became Saw) or a Brandon Lee action franchise if he had lived.

(Probably) unanswerable questions
  • The water jug puzzle – CR still doesn't understand it after reading extensive explanations. Bill claims he can solve it, leading to the 'Bill Simmons Jug Challenge' pitch.
  • Bill: 1994 was Apex Mountain for New York City – Rangers, Knicks, Mike and the Mad Dog, 'Die Hard' 3 filming in the city.
What memorabilia would you want (or not want!) from the movie?
  • Van: 'I don't want the blank sandwich board.'
  • Bill: Pretty good artifact from the 90s but wouldn't want it either.
Best (or worst!) life lessons from the movie

CR: The Ratzo Rizzo 'Most New York Quote' award – 'I'll make this very simple, 112 'Wall Street' or I'll have your medallion.' Also: 'They don't allow dump trucks on the FDR.'

Best double feature for this movie
  • Bill: 'Die Hard' 1 right into 'Die Hard' 3 – skip 'Die Hard 2', which is in its own universe.
  • Van: The Siege (another NYC terrorism movie with Bruce Willis, who starts off seeming like the hero).
  • CR: 'Pulp Fiction'.
Who won the movie?
  • Bill and CR: Samuel L. Jackson. 'Pulp Fiction is no longer a fluke. He can help carry a major movie, and now the rest of his career falls into place.'
  • Van: Bruce Willis – 'It's just hard to beat the character of John McClane.'