July 20, 2023

'...And Justice for All'

The Ringer's Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey and The New York Times's Wesley Morris are out of order in their revisit of the 1979 mystery-drama 'And Justice For All' starring Al Pacino, Jack Warden, and John Forsythe.

Movie poster

Cast

Al Pacino as Arthur Kirkland

Jack Warden as Judge (suicidal, helicopter buddy)

John Forsythe as Judge Henry T. Fleming

Jeffrey Tambor as Jay Porter

Christine Lahti as Gail Packer

Lee Strasberg as Pacino's grandfather

Craig T. Nelson as Frank Bowers

Thomas Waites as Jeff McCullough

Dominic Chianese as Carl Travers

Directed by: Norman Jewison

Written by: Valerie Curtin, Barry Levinson

Music by: Dave Grusin

Notes

  • Budget: $4 million. Box office: $33 million.
  • Part of Courtroom Month on The Rewatchables (4th movie in the series).
  • Pacino was first choice for 'Kramer vs. Kramer' but chose this film instead.
  • Jeffrey Tambor, Christine Lahti, and Craig T. Nelson all made their film debuts in this movie.
  • The 'you're out of order' line is a famous misquote – the actual line is 'The whole trial is out of order.'
  • Barry Levinson's first Baltimore movie (followed by Diner, Tin Men, etc.).
  • Extended debate about whether this is a top-2 Pacino performance. Wesley calls it 'the full package Pacino.'

Categories

Roger Ebert's review

Quote from Rog's review:

It's a drama and a comedy and a thriller all at once, and it works as all three.
  • Ebert called it 'an angry comedy crossed with an expose.'
  • Bill would bump it to 3.5 stars.
Most re-watchable scene
  • The final courtroom scene ('You're out of order!') – unanimous pick.
  • Also: the opening scene (Aggie/jail), Pacino and Lee Strasberg scenes, Pacino/Christine Lahti flirting.
  • Tambor telling Pacino about Fleming's rape charge (hysterical laughter), helicopter scene/crash, plate throwing scene.
What aged the best?
  • Late 70s soundtracks with saxophones and congo beats.
  • Pacino's improvising (Lee Strasberg told him 'learn your lines, darling').
  • Barry Levinson's first Baltimore movie (Wire connection).
  • The trans character (Aggie) handled sensitively for 1979.
  • Jeffrey Tambor, Christine Lahti, and Craig T. Nelson's film debuts.
Most cinematic shot
  • Jack Warden on the ledge with Baltimore in the background (real stunt with harness).
  • Wesley: Pacino and Christine Lahti walking by the waterfront with Baltimore's Domino Sugar plant.
Best needle drop
  • The crazy theme song / jazz score in the beginning (Dave Grusin).
  • Gospel/choir song at the end credits.
  • Minimal needle drops overall.
Weak link of the movie
  • The judge (Forsythe) just tells Pacino 'I did it' – is that realistic?
  • Wesley and Sean think it's pure arrogance, not a scheme.
What aged the worst?
  • The Metallica album '...And Justice for All' overwhelmed Google results for this movie.
  • The crazy long opening credits (late 70s convention).
  • Tambor shaving his head – not shocking anymore in 2023.
  • Christine Lahti's character is underwritten / a device (Wesley's pick).
  • Jeff McCullough being a white guy getting screwed by the system in Baltimore in 1979.
The hottest take award
  • Bill: This is Pacino's second-best performance ever (behind Godfather Part II).
  • Wesley somewhat agrees – calls it 'the full package Pacino'.
  • Sean strongly disagrees – puts Dog Day Afternoon and both Godfathers above it.
  • Wesley's hot take: the Godfather's greatness has conferred automatic greatness on Pacino's Part I performance that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Casting what-ifs

Pacino was supposed to be in 'Kramer vs. Kramer' (first choice), bowed out for this movie.

Over-acting award
  • Craig T. Nelson – 'not really ready to be in a championship round fight' with Pacino.
  • His opposing-counsel scenes are too TV-movie-like.
Best "that guy"
  • Thomas Waites (Jeff McCullough) – also got fired from 'The Warriors' for being annoying.
  • Dominic Chianese (Uncle Junior) is the runner-up.
Re-casting couch
  • Replacing Christine Lahti: Bill suggests Meryl Streep (busy with 'Kramer vs. Kramer'), Jane Alexander, or Margot Kidder.
  • Wesley thinks Kidder would overwhelm the part; Lahti's understated presence works.
Half-assed (internet) research
  • Everything filmed in Baltimore.
  • Pacino practiced the 'you're out of order' scene 26 times.
  • Jack Warden firing a pistol in court was based on a real judge in Texas.
  • Coffee cake scene took 26 takes; Warden threw up from eating too much.
  • Barry Levinson quote about courtroom research: 'truth and justice aren't necessarily the same'.
Apex Mountain
  • Pacino: No – Godfather Part II.
  • Jack Warden: Somewhere around 'Shampoo'/'Heaven Can Wait' era, mid-70s.
  • Tambor: No – Arrested Development/Transparent.
  • Christine Lahti: No – Chicago Hope.
  • Norman Jewison: No – Moonstruck (Wesley's pick).
  • Courtroom meltdowns: This movie or Jessup ('A Few Good Men').
Picking nits
  • Why didn't they show Arthur punching Fleming?
  • No black lawyers in 1979 Baltimore (or any courtroom month movies).
  • John Forsythe's plan to get the lawyer who punched him is a bad strategy.
Sequel, prequel, prestige TV or untouchable?
  • Would be an HBO show about the inner workings of the Baltimore court system, produced by Barry Levinson.
  • Wesley notes The Night Of is a modern version.
(Probably) unanswerable questions
  • Was Pacino always going to tip over into the mistrial, or was it Forsythe's courtroom comment about the victim that pushed him?
  • What was that outdoor covered pool thing Forsythe's character had?
  • What happened to Jack Warden's character?
Best double feature for this movie
  • Dog Day Afternoon (Pacino double).
  • Diner (Baltimore double).
  • Devil's Advocate (Pacino lawyer double).
What memorabilia would you want (or not want!) from the movie?
  • Wesley: Aggie's wig.
  • Sean: The suitcase Pacino hits the car with.
Best (or worst!) life lessons from the movie
  • Don't trust the American justice system.
  • Wesley's more optimistic take: keep fighting – the system is the only one we've got.
Who won the movie?

Al Pacino – unanimous.