May 21, 2024

'Back to the Future Part II'

The Ringer's Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Cousin Sal hop back in the DeLorean to place a couple bets after rewatching 'Back to the Future Part II' starring Michael J Fox and Christopher Lloyd.

Movie poster

Cast

Michael J. Fox as Marty McFly / Marty Jr. / Marlene McFly

Christopher Lloyd as Doc Brown

Thomas F. Wilson as Biff Tannen / Griff Tannen

Lea Thompson as Lorraine McFly

Elisabeth Shue as Jennifer Parker

James Tolkan as Mr. Strickland

Elijah Wood as Kid in Cafe 80s

Directed by: Robert Zemeckis

Written by: Bob Gale

Music by: Alan Silvestri

Notes

  • Budget of $40 million, grossed $332 million (third highest grossing movie of 1989).
  • Tarantino listed 'Back to the Future' 1 as one of four 'perfect movies.'
  • Bob Gale said Biff in dystopian 1985 was inspired by Donald Trump.
  • The Crispin Glover lawsuit ($765,000 settlement) led to SAG collective bargaining agreement changes about likeness.
  • Originally the sequel was going to 1967 (protesters) but George and Lorraine would have been too old to be hippies.
  • Fox was shooting Family Ties during the day and 'Back to the Future' at night, plus making two sequels back-to-back.
  • ILM technology for putting Fox 3 ways in the same scene was groundbreaking.
  • Carl Sagan praised this movie for best explaining the perils of time travel.
  • Craig Horlbeck had never seen 'Back to the Future Part II' before this episode.
  • Bill Simmons was on Jimmy Kimmel Live on October 21, 2015 (the date Marty travels to) and did a bit with Christopher Lloyd and Michael J. Fox.

Categories

Roger Ebert's review

Quote from Rog's review:

And yet the movie is fun, mostly because it's so screwy.

Ebert had complaints but also noted that only Russ Meyer had previously ended a movie with coming attractions for the next one.

Most re-watchable scene
  • Winner: Marty trying to get the Almanac back from Biff in 1955, including the recreated prom sequence and car chase – approximately 15 minutes (Bill and Chris).
  • Other contenders: the downtown Hill Valley 2015 / Cafe 80s / hoverboard chase sequence (~7-8 minutes), Marty buys the Grays Sports Almanac, dystopian 1985 / Biff Tannen's Pleasure Paradise.
What aged the best?
  • All the future predictions that came true: FaceTime/video chat, flat panel TVs, hands-free video games, wearable technology, fingerprint scanners, self-lacing Nikes, drones, watching multiple screens at once.
  • Alan Silvestri's score (Chris).
  • The decision to make the future funny/goofy rather than dark.
  • The 'Jaws' 19 trailer as a joke about franchise culture.
  • Nike Air Mags concept (led to real patent in 2009).
What aged the worst?
  • The 'same actor playing multiple characters' technology – now commonplace, hard to explain how revolutionary it was.
  • The movie being nerdier/geekier than the first one – Marty spends most of it helping explain time travel rather than being cool.
  • Pepsi product placement – way too much.
  • Michael J. Fox playing his own daughter – 'super weird,' unnecessary.
  • The 'Back to the Future' 3 trailer at the end (disappointed audiences).
Best needle drop
  • Winner: 'I Can't Drive 55' by Sammy Hagar outside the casino (Chris).
  • Runner-up: 'Beat It' in the Cafe 80s.
Weak link of the movie
  • The Crispin Glover / Jeffrey Weissman situation. Glover's absence is 'the torn ACL of the movie.' They used previously filmed footage, prosthetics, and tricks to disguise the recast.
  • Zonked-out Jennifer (Elizabeth Shue) also problematic – Zemeckis admitted he wouldn't have had Jennifer get in the car if he'd thought about it more.
The hottest take award
  • Chris: it's time for real hoverboards.
  • Sal: Marty is not George's son – he's Biff's son. Lorraine was promiscuous in 1955, Marty is nothing like his father, and he has a temper like Biff.
  • Craig: Doc is the only good actor in this movie.
Casting what-ifs
  • Crispin Glover was offered $125K-$150K but didn't do the sequel.
  • Claudia Wells (original Jennifer) dropped out due to her mother's health crisis, replaced by Elizabeth Shue.
Over-acting award
  • Winner: Tom Wilson as Griff (Biff's grandson in 2015) – 'one of the most annoying characters probably that we've ever done in the Rewatchables.'
  • Runner-up: Lea Thompson as Lorraine in the casino/dystopian 1985 scenes.
Best "that guy"
  • Winner: James Tolkan as Mr. Strickland – also in 'Top Gun'.
  • Runner-up: Joe Flaherty as the Western Union man (also the heckler in 'Happy Gilmore', SCTV alum).
Apex Mountain
  • Sports Almanacs: 'Unequivocally yes. This is the go-to Sports Almanac.'
  • Tom Wilson: yes – plays ~19 different versions of characters.
  • Hoverboard technology: yes (Chris).
  • Sports gambling movies: yes (over 'Rounders', 'The Gambler', Uncut Gems).
  • Michael J. Fox: no. Lea Thompson: no. Elizabeth Shue: no. Zemeckis: no.
Cruise or Hanks?
Hanks wins

Bill argues Cruise is too intense; it's more in the 'Josh Baskin from Big' world – young Hanks is the fit. Craig suggests it's tied.

Picking nits
  • The 'chicken' flaw comes out of nowhere – should have been 'loser' instead.
  • Biff's rise as a gambler would create butterfly effects changing the very sports results in the Almanac.
  • Old Biff returns the DeLorean to the same timeline after changing the past.
  • 50 years of sports data fitting in a super thin almanac.
  • Doc leaves the keys in the time machine.
  • No jet lag from time travel across decades.
Re-casting couch

Jennifer: Jamie Gertz, young Jennifer Connelly, Mindy Cohen, or Justine Bateman (Bill suggests Bateman would have been a fun Family Ties connection).

Half-assed (internet) research
  • SAG collective bargaining agreement clauses about likeness exist because of the Glover lawsuit.
  • The Oh La La magazine cover girl was Venetia Stevenson from the July 1955 issue of Swank.
  • Lea Thompson took home the prosthetic breast implants because it was a mold of a real chest.
  • Originally the sequel was going back to 1967 but George and Lorraine would have been too old to be hippies.
  • A sport called 'slam ball' was planned for 2015 scenes but cut for budget reasons.
Sequel, prequel, prestige TV or untouchable?
  • Bill and Chris agree this franchise could be remade. The time-travel concept allows going to any era.
  • New cast suggestions: Bill Hader as Doc (good call), need a true high-school-age unknown for Marty.
  • Chris notes a modern version going back to fix recent history (9/11, Trump) would make it a non-comedy.
What memorabilia would you want (or not want!) from the movie?
  • Chris: Nike Mags (profitable on secondary market).
  • Bill: the self-drying/heated jacket.
  • Original almanac props sell for $45-50K at Hollywood prop auctions.
Best (or worst!) life lessons from the movie
  • Chris: 'The past is the past. Just leave it alone. Look forward.'
  • Bill: 'Really try hard not to fuck your mother.'
Best double feature for this movie

Chris picks 'Back to the Future' 3 (because 2 is basically part 1 revisited).

(Probably) unanswerable questions
  • Why does Marty hate being called chicken so much?
  • How would you handle the Almanac to avoid suspicion? (~70% win rate needed).
  • Is Doc Brown gay? (A scene was cut from movie 1 where Marty asks 'Do I turn gay?' about his future).
Who won the movie?

Michael J. Fox (panel agrees). Zemeckis also cited by Chris for the technical achievements.