August 02, 2021

'Victory'

The Ringer's Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan return to the stadium to finish the second half of the game after rewatching the 1981 film 'Victory' starring Sylvester Stallone, Michael Caine, and Pele.

Movie poster

Cast

Sylvester Stallone as Captain Robert Hatch

Michael Caine as Captain John Colby

Pelé as Luis Fernandez

Max von Sydow as Major Karl von Steiner

Directed by: John Huston

Music by: Bill Conti

Notes

  • $10 million budget, made $27 million. Ranked 63rd at the box office in 1981.
  • John Huston was 74 years old when directing this – his fifth-to-last film.
  • Loosely based on a 1962 Hungarian film 'Two Half Times in Hell,' itself based on a now-discredited 'death match' story where a Ukrainian team defeated German soldiers.
  • The movie was on HBO constantly from 1982-1984, which is how it became a rewatchable classic for a generation of kids.
  • Gordon Banks (1966 England World Cup goalkeeper) was Stallone's goalkeeping coach.
  • Stallone started training in soccer on weekends during the filming of Nighthawks. Lost 40 pounds to look like a prisoner of war – this is why he looks so lean in 'Rocky III' (filmed right after).
  • Stallone decided not to use a body double – separated a shoulder and broke a finger, kept filming. It took him six takes before he could get even near saving a penalty kick.
  • Michael Caine couldn't even run 20 yards – all football scenes used stunt double Kevin Beattie (Ipswich player).
  • Ossie Ardiles (1978 World Cup winner for Argentina) said this was his 'greatest ever sporting moment.'
  • The Paris stadium (supposed to be Stade Colombes) was actually MTK Stadium in Budapest, Hungary.
  • Stallone wanted to score the winning goal. The cast and technicians intervened, saying it would be absurd.
  • Widescreen/HD completely reinvented the viewing experience vs. old square-TV HBO airings – top five 'thank God for HD' movie.
  • Episode 199 of The Rewatchables.

Categories

Most re-watchable scene
  • Winner: Pelé getting hurt through the first Allies counterattack goal – Stallone gets kicked in the head, everything goes blurry, the counterattack builds, the cross, the music crescendo, the crowd erupting.
  • The Colby/Von Steiner negotiation scenes.
  • Pelé grabbing the chalk to draw up the play – 'Give me the ball here, I do this, this, this – goal. Easy.'
  • The halftime tunnel scene where Pelé says 'Please, Hatch... if we run now, we lose more than a game'.
  • The Pelé bicycle kick.
  • The penalty kick save and the crowd-rush escape ending.
What aged the best?
  • Winner: Bill Conti's score – Bill says it might be his number one sports movie music, over 'Rocky'.
  • The crowd singing the French national anthem during the penalty kick sequence.
  • The widescreen/HD presentation – top five 'thank God for HD and widescreen' movie.
  • The 'good Nazi' (Von Steiner) concept – loves soccer more than the war, genuinely disappointed by the corrupt officiating.
  • Beating Nazis at anything.
  • Stallone ending the Cold War AND beating the Nazis in two different sports movies within five years.
What aged the worst?
  • Pelé's bald patch on the back of his head – visible in several shots.
  • Michael Caine as a soccer player – couldn't even run 20 yards, all football scenes used a stunt double.
  • Hatch's 13-minute escape to Paris – the French girlfriend subplot feels like it was dropped in from the wrong movie.
  • No real scrimmage/practice scene despite having all those professional soccer players – should have cut the Paris minutes and added a training montage.
  • Pelé holding his ribs and then jumping up celebrating after the bicycle kick – he supposedly had seven broken ribs.
Casting what-ifs
  • Roger Moore was considered for the John Colby role.
  • Lloyd Bridges and Clint Eastwood were circling the project.
  • Clint Eastwood as Hatch would have been a completely different, cooler movie – no comic relief, he looks more like a goalkeeper.
Best "that guy"

Winner: Maurice Roeves, the Scottish officer – goes on to get his beating heart cut out by Magua in Last of the Mohicans.

Over-acting award

Winner: Sylvester Stallone – chasing Michael Caine around the camp yelling 'I don't even want to play on the stinking team!' Bill: 'This isn't Paradise Alley. John Huston is the director.'

Best "heat check" performance
  • Nominees: Pelé, Ossie Ardiles, Anton Diffring, Werner Roth.
  • Pelé initially discussed but removed as too important for the category.
  • Winner: Anton Diffring (the German announcer).
Re-casting couch

Replace Carole Laure (the French girlfriend) with Jacqueline Bisset – a 13-minute Jackie Bisset cameo would make the Paris detour worth watching.

Half-assed (internet) research
  • Gordon Banks (1966 England goalkeeper) was Stallone's goalkeeping coach.
  • Pelé's character is from Trinidad because Brazil didn't join the war until 1943 and the movie is set in 1941.
  • Stallone lost 40 pounds to look like a prisoner of war – this is why he looks so lean in 'Rocky III'.
  • Ardiles was a 1978 World Cup winner for Argentina – said this was his 'greatest ever sporting moment'.
  • Stallone separated a shoulder and broke a finger, kept filming.
  • John Wark told the story that Stallone wanted to score the winning goal – the cast intervened.
  • It took Stallone six takes before he could get even near saving a penalty kick.
Apex Mountain
  • Ipswich Town: Yes – had some trophies but really reaped the rewards of this movie.
  • Good Nazis (Von Steiner): Yes – Bill goes with Max von Sydow's Von Steiner.
  • The word 'bloody': Chris nominates it – Michael Caine says 'bloody' like Wolf of Wall Street says another word.
  • Stallone: No ('Rocky'/Rambo era is his apex).
  • Pelé: No.
  • Michael Caine: No.
Picking nits
  • Hatch agrees to get recaptured after escaping – he's out, free in France, met a girl, doesn't know these guys well, can't play the sport.
  • The Irish goalie agrees to have his arm broken – the #1 sports movie nitpick ever. Why not fake an injury? And then the team stays to play instead of escaping, so his arm was broken for nothing.
  • Down 4-0, down a man, and they score the next 4 unanswered goals. Stallone throws a shutout for 75 minutes while concussed.
  • Stallone catches the penalty kick rather than deflecting it – penalty kicks are almost never caught.
  • The bicycle kick with seven broken ribs – then the team jumps on Pelé in celebration.
  • The soldiers would have started shooting everyone during the crowd-rush escape.
Sequel, prequel, prestige TV or untouchable?
  • All agree: yes, please.
  • Bill's pitch: Change the sport to basketball, keep the World War premise but make it World War Three – 'Red Dawn meets Hoosiers'.
(Probably) unanswerable questions
  • How fast did Von Steiner (the good Nazi) get murdered after the game?
  • Did Hatch play more goalie after the war? Did he popularize soccer in America?
  • Is this the #1 fictional sports movie event you'd want to attend?
What memorabilia would you want (or not want!) from the movie?
  • Bill: The Pelé game-worn jersey.
  • Chris: The radio/crowd noise device.
  • Gus: The signed arm cast from the Irish goalie.
Who won the movie?
  • Winner: Pelé (2-1 vote) – this became his enduring legacy for American audiences, made soccer seem cool, the bicycle kick lived on for 40 years.
  • Michael Caine got one vote – showed he could act under any circumstances.