January 04, 2022

'Superbad'

The Ringer's Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey sit and eat their dessert alone like they're fucking Steven Glansberg to celebrate 200 episodes of 'The Rewatchables'. They rewatch the 2007 comedy classic 'Superbad' starring Jonah Hill, Michael Cera, and Christopher Mintz-Plasse.

Movie poster

Cast

Jonah Hill as Seth

Michael Cera as Evan

Christopher Mintz-Plasse as Fogell / McLovin

Emma Stone as Jules

Seth Rogen as Officer Michaels

Bill Hader as Officer Slater

Joe Lo Truglio as Francis

Kevin Corrigan as Mark (coke party host)

Carla Gallo as Period Blood Girl

Dave Franco as Greg

David Krumholtz as Party Guy

Martin Starr as Party Guy

Directed by: Greg Mottola

Written by: Seth Rogen, Evan Goldberg

Produced by: Judd Apatow

Notes

  • 200th episode of The Rewatchables podcast. Sean Fennessey came back from paternity leave for it.
  • $20 million budget; $170.8 million box office – highest-grossing teen comedy ever until 21 Jump Street.
  • Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg started writing the script at age 13, based on their real experiences at Point Gray Secondary School in Vancouver; characters are named after themselves.
  • The script went through a 7-year development odyssey; studios kept asking them to make it PG or PG-13.
  • Apatow told Rogen and Goldberg they couldn't end the movie after the party – they needed the emotional sleeping bag scene and the mall scene.
  • Emma Stone's film debut; Jonah Hill's first starring role.
  • The hosts rank it among the top 6 comedies of the 21st century alongside Hangover, 'Step Brothers', Anchorman, 'Bridesmaids', and Borat – notably all made by 2011.
  • The party house was filmed half a block from where Nicole Brown Simpson was murdered in Brentwood.
  • Bill's son Ben had 'single-handedly demolished Superbad' rewatching it on Netflix and owns a giant McLovin driver's license flag from Amazon.

Categories

Roger Ebert's review

Quote from Rog's review:

Superbad reminded me a little of Animal House, except that it's more mature, as all movies are.
  • Ebert gave it 3.5 stars, praising the story, character development, and deepened relationships.
  • Chris: jokes that all movies are more mature than Animal House.
Most re-watchable scene
  • Bill: The first 32 minutes are unassailable – the opening phone call, Home EC monologue, dick drawings confession, McLovin ID reveal, and the liquor store sequence.
  • Sean: The 15-minute stretch of McLovin buying booze, the robbery, Officers Michaels and Slater arriving, and the Seth/Evan fight outside about the condom and lube, leading to Joe Lo Truglio hitting Seth with the car.
  • Chris: The coke party scene with Kevin Corrigan ('my brother came all the way here from Scottsdale, AZ') and Michael Cera singing 'These Eyes' – says it's better than 'Boogie Nights'.
  • Sean: Seth's dream sequence of buying vodka ('that would be lovely').
  • Bill agrees with Sean's 15-minute stretch as the best, which also includes the Carrie Hutchins breast reduction bit ('I got to catch a glimpse of these warlocks').
What aged the best?
  • Bill: The opening title sequence/theme song – a 1976 funk song called 'Too Hot To Stop' by The Bar-Kays.
  • Sean: The 70s funk/disco soundtrack and how the movie's title and music reflect 90s kids trying to be 70s cool.
  • Bill: Seth Rogen tweeted that this movie invented the phrase 'DTF' (down to fuck), later co-opted by Jersey Shore.
  • Bill: The 'you shouldn't take advantage of drunk women' theme was ahead of its time for 2007 – Michael Cera's character had a decent moral compass.
  • Bill and Chris: Rogen and Hader as Officers Michaels and Slater are essentially filming their own buddy cop movie within the movie.
What aged the worst?
  • Bill: The language obviously wouldn't fly today.
  • Bill: MySpace references date the film.
  • Bill and Chris: Rogue/comedic cops as a theme doesn't age great given real-world police brutality concerns.
  • Sean: Questions whether fake IDs to buy booze is still a relevant premise – Euphoria's high schoolers are on ketamine instead.
Casting what-ifs
  • Seth Rogen was always supposed to play Seth but became too old; Apatow noticed Jonah Hill on the set of 'Knocked Up' and cast him within an hour.
  • Shia LaBeouf was circled for Seth but was 'offer only' (wouldn't audition). Sean notes he did Transformers in 2007 instead.
  • Jennifer Lawrence was reportedly considered for Jules (the Emma Stone part).
  • The role of Officer Michaels was originally offered to Kyle Gass from Tenacious D.
Over-acting award
  • Bill: Jonah Hill dials it up but it feels like the character.
  • Sean: Carla Gallo – 'If Carla Gallo shows up in a movie, she's going to go for it.'
  • Chris: Kevin Corrigan is 'legitimately scary' in his intensity.
Best "that guy"
  • Bill: Joe Nunez as the 'Fuck My Life' liquor store guy who later shows up at the party.
  • Chris: Kevin Bresnahan as Patrick, the coke party guy who cries when Michael Cera sings.
  • Sean: Jody Hill and Ben Best (creators of Eastbound and Down) as the two guys on the couch.
  • Bill declares a tie between Joe Nunez and Kevin Bresnahan.
Best "heat check" performance
  • Bill gives it to Carla Gallo as the period blood girl – 'She comes in red hot, hits a couple threes, completely off the rails.'
  • Other nominees: Joe Lo Truglio, Kevin Corrigan, McLovin's girl, Dave Franco.
Re-casting couch
  • Sean: Surprised Martha MacIsaac (Becca) didn't have a bigger career, finds her charming.
  • Bill: Suggests Carla Gugino for Michael Cera's mom.
  • Chris: The movie is too perfectly cast to revise anything.
Half-assed (internet) research
  • Filming locations: El Segundo High School for exterior, Fox Hills Mall for mall scenes, Culver City for the convenience store, Glendale for the liquor store, CSU Northridge for the donut scene.
  • Fogell's '13th and Granville' address was Rogen and Goldberg's favorite all-you-can-eat sushi restaurant in Vancouver.
  • Evan Goldberg's brother David drew close to 1,000 penis drawings; only a handful made the movie; the MPAA objected to some.
  • Michael Cera and Martha MacIsaac actually got drunk for their aborted sex scene.
  • The word 'fuck' is used 176 times (Chris guessed 200+, Sean guessed 130, Craig guessed 280).
  • The cocaine party scene was based on a real incident when Rogen and Goldberg were 14 – a party at a house 'owned by a midget and a bodybuilder who were a couple' and 'there was a pig.'
Apex Mountain
  • Jonah Hill: Bill says it's 21 Jump Street; Sean argues 'Moneyball' changed everyone's opinion of him.
  • Michael Cera: Bill says this is definitely Apex Mountain; Sean notes he also did Juno the same year.
  • Christopher Mintz-Plasse: All agree this is Apex Mountain.
  • Emma Stone: Bill says no – her career went much bigger.
  • Martha MacIsaac: Bill says yes.
  • Bill Hader: No – went on to Barry, SNL, etc.
  • Seth Rogen: Bill says it's probably 'Neighbors'; Chris notes the incredible 2007 with both 'Knocked Up' and 'Superbad'.
  • Hawaiian driver's license / McLovin ID: All agree this is the peak – became a cultural phenomenon.
Picking nits
  • Bill: Why does Jules (Emma Stone) like Seth? He's getting spit on by bullies and his friends include 'a potential sociopath.'
  • Bill: Confusing geography – unclear where it's set, everything seems close together.
  • Bill: Seth headbutting Jules at the party – there were better ways to accomplish the plot point and she forgave it too easily.
  • Sean: No one in the entire high school has an older brother to buy beer. Chris points out there are no siblings at all.
  • Craig: Seth doesn't bring enough alcohol for everyone to be so excited – he shows up with two detergent jugs of gross beer.
Sequel, prequel, prestige TV or untouchable?
  • Chris: 'Obviously, please don't.'
  • Sean: The Michaels and Slater buddy cop spin-off could work as a TV series.
(Probably) unanswerable questions
  • Sean: Are Michaels and Slater still cops? Bill says they've probably moved to private neighborhood security without guns.
  • Bill: What are Seth and Evan doing now at age 32? Sean jokes Seth is the GM of Brazzers; Chris jokes he's the assistant GM of the A's.
  • Chris: Do Jules and Becca ever talk to those guys again?
  • Bill: Did Michael Cera create the 'new age sensitive male' archetype? Sean says he didn't create it but 'platformed it.'
What memorabilia would you want (or not want!) from the movie?

Chris: The McLovin ID – 'a one of one from an iconic movie.'

Who won the movie?
  • Unanimous: Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg – two best friends writing together since age 13, 7-year odyssey to get it made, launched Rogen's career and their production company. The peak of the Apatow era.
  • Sean: Notes the incredible 10-week stretch in 2007 where 'Knocked Up' (June 1) and 'Superbad' (August 17) both came out.
  • Craig: They 'basically made every single kid who went to high school think they could write a script about their experience.'