January 04, 2022

'Rocky IV'

If The Ringer's Bill Simmons, Cousin Sal, and Kyle Brandt can change, you can change! We head to Russia to rewatch the 1985 classic 'Rocky IV,' starring Sylvester Stallone, Carl Weathers, and Dolph Lundgren.

Movie poster

Cast

Sylvester Stallone as Rocky Balboa

Dolph Lundgren as Ivan Drago

Carl Weathers as Apollo Creed

Talia Shire as Adrian Balboa

Burt Young as Paulie

Brigitte Nielsen as Ludmila Drago

Tony Burton as Duke

Michael Pataki as Nikolai Koloff

Directed by: Sylvester Stallone

Written by: Sylvester Stallone

Notes

  • $28 million budget, grossed over $300 million – highest grossing 'Rocky' film; highest grossing sports movie for 24 years until The Blind Side.
  • Bill's thesis: 'Rocky IV' ended the Cold War (movie late 1985; Berlin Wall fell 1989).
  • 31.9% of the movie's runtime consists of montages.
  • Kyle: it 'barely qualifies as a real movie' – 'really just a package of montages, music videos and musical numbers with like 8 scenes.'
  • Stallone and Lundgren decided to hit each other for real; Stallone got punched so hard his heart swelled, blood pressure over 200; airlifted to Santa Monica Hospital, 8 days recovery.
  • Carl Weathers and Dolph Lundgren had beef on set; Lundgren was throwing Weathers around too hard; 4-day work stoppage.
  • Training scenes set in Russia were actually filmed in Wyoming. The fight was shot in Vancouver.
  • Tony Burton (Duke) defeated Stanley Kubrick at chess on the set of 'The Shining'.
  • Peter Cetera wrote 'Glory of Love' for this film's closing credits but United Artists passed; it ended up in 'The Karate Kid' Part II.
  • SICO the robot was a member of SAG, appeared in Days of Our Lives for a full season, and in a Carly Simon video. Stallone brought it in because the real robot helped his autistic son.
  • James Brown's 'Living in America' was his first Top 40 single in 11 years, the last of his career.
  • James Brown toured with the SICO robot after the movie.
  • In the Italian dub, 'I must break you' became 'Ti spezzo in due' (I break you in two) with a fake Russian accent.

Categories

Roger Ebert's review

Quote from Rog's review:

Rocky IV is a film so predictable that viewing it is like watching one of those old sitcoms where the characters never change and the same situations turn up again and again.
  • Ebert felt the 'Rocky' series was 'finally losing its legs.'
  • Gene Siskel gave it 3.5 stars out of 4, which the hosts found surprising.
Most re-watchable scene
  • Winner: The two training montages combined (~9 minutes). Kyle: 'I would put that nine minute sequence against anything in film history for watchability.'
  • Creed's entrance – James Brown performing 'Living in America.'
  • The entire Drago-Creed fight.
  • 'You can't win' leading into 'No Easy Way Out' Lamborghini montage.
  • Duke's pep speech.
  • Drago-'Rocky' round 2 ('he's cut').
  • Rocky's 15th round and final speech.
What aged the best?
  • Drago's six iconic lines: 'You will lose,' 'I must break you,' 'If he dies, he dies,' 'Until the end,' 'You're dead,' and 'For me.' All endlessly quotable.
  • The steroids vs. natural training montage concept – ahead of its time re: sports science.
  • Creed having a 'bastard son' not acknowledged in this film, which later led to the 'Creed' franchise.
  • James Brown's 'Living in America' – his last Top 40 single.
  • Drago as a villain – 'like an incredible bottle of wine from 1986.'
  • Rocky's jacket.
  • The opening credits (two boxing gloves smashing and exploding).
What aged the worst?
  • The patriotism is harder to identify with in a divided 2020s America vs. the unified Cold War era.
  • Re-showing 'Rocky' III's ending at the start of the film.
  • SICO the robot – Paulie's creepy relationship with it; the robot had more dialogue than Drago.
  • Brigitte Nielsen's Russian accent.
  • Adrian initially not going to Russia.
  • The hastily done magazine covers of Drago.
  • The impact of Apollo's death diminishing on rewatches.
  • Brigitte Nielsen and Stallone's marriage (married December 1985, divorced July 1987).
Casting what-ifs
  • Peter Cetera wrote 'Glory of Love' for this film but it ended up in 'The Karate Kid' Part II.
  • Kyle suggested Arnold Schwarzenegger as Drago (mid-80s, had the accent, Sly vs. Arnold), but their rivalry would have prevented it.
Over-acting award

Carl Weathers – 'really dials it up' knowing he's only in the movie for ~35 minutes. 'He looks like he's had a lot of coffee.'

Best "heat check" performance
  • Sal and Kyle: Marianne 'Creed' – confused/loving look, 'stop the fight' terror.
  • Bill: James Brown – 'comes in smoking hot, rips off vintage James Brown.'
Best "that guy"

Michael Pataki as Nikolai Koloff (Drago's trainer/handler) – classic 'That Guy' actor.

Re-casting couch
  • 'Every part is perfect. I wouldn't recast one piece.' – Bill.
  • Kyle's one suggestion: mid-80s Arnold Schwarzenegger as Drago.
Half-assed (internet) research
  • Stallone hospitalized after Lundgren punched him for real – heart swelled, airlifted to hospital.
  • Carl Weathers and Lundgren had beef on set; 4-day work stoppage.
  • Training scenes in 'Russia' were filmed in Wyoming; the fight in Vancouver.
  • Tony Burton defeated Stanley Kubrick at chess on the set of 'The Shining'.
  • A deleted scene of 'Rocky' giving up his belt was cut but referenced in the trailer.
  • The SICO robot helped Stallone's autistic son in real life.
  • James Brown toured with the SICO robot after the movie.
Apex Mountain
  • Sylvester Stallone: Yes – 'Rocky IV' and Rambo II in 1985, biggest movie star in the world.
  • Dolph Lundgren: Yes.
  • Warner Wolf: Yes – iconic NY sportscaster, 'Let's go to the videotape' guy.
  • Vince DiCola: Yes.
  • Tony Burton (Duke): Yes.
  • 80s movie montages / movie montages overall: Yes – '31.9% of the movie is montages.'
  • Wet blanket sports movie wives (Adrian): Yes.
  • Cold War: No – Cuban Missile Crisis wins.
Picking nits
  • Should Drago have faced murder charges for Apollo's death?
  • 'Rocky' offers no boxing advice as a trainer, tries to talk Apollo out of the fight minutes before, then freezes with the towel.
  • Soviet heavyweights were not allowed to box professional fighters during the Cold War.
  • Timeline inconsistencies across 'Rocky' films – Adrian's 'nearly five years' and Rocky's 'nine years married' don't add up.
  • No doctor on site for the Apollo-Drago exhibition fight.
  • Drago hit Apollo ~14 times after the bell with no disqualification.
  • Apollo had boxing gloves on after dancing, then no gloves when confronting Drago (continuity error noticed after 130+ viewings).
(Probably) unanswerable questions
  • How long were they in Russia training? (Kyle estimates 6-7 weeks based on Rocky's beard.)
  • How does 'Rocky' get down from the mountain he climbed?
  • What time is the fight? If 10 PM in Moscow, it's 3 PM in the US – 'Rocky' tells his kid to go to bed.
  • Would 'Rocky' have been killed by the KGB after winning?
  • What were the Compubox numbers? (Fan calculations: Drago landed 61 of 72 in the first 3 minutes.)
What memorabilia would you want (or not want!) from the movie?
  • Kyle: The snake watch/bracelet 'Rocky' gives Adrian, and Rocky's aviator sunglasses.
  • Sal and Bill: The bloody towel from 'throw the damn towel.'
Who won the movie?

All three agreed: Dolph Lundgren / Drago – 'totally unproven newcomer, you leave the movie thinking he's a movie star and some sort of muscle bound alien.'