February 22, 2022

'Kramer vs. Kramer'

In our fourth installment of F'ed Up Family February, The Ringer's Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin cannot eat ice cream until they finish rewatching Robert Benton's 1979 Best Picture-winning drama 'Kramer vs. Kramer,' starring Dustin Hoffman, Meryl Streep, and Justin Henry.

Movie poster

Cast

Dustin Hoffman as Ted Kramer

Meryl Streep as Joanna Kramer

Justin Henry as Billy Kramer

Jane Alexander as Margaret Phelps

JoBeth Williams as Phyllis Bernard

Howard Duff as John Shaughnessy

George Coe as Jim O'Connor

Directed by: Robert Benton

Written by: Robert Benton

Cinematography by: Nestor Almendros

Notes

  • Part of the 'F'ed Up Family February' series – fourth installment.
  • Won 5 Oscars (Best Picture, Director, Actor, Supporting Actress, Adapted Screenplay) out of 9 nominations. Beat Apocalypse Now, All That Jazz, 'Breaking Away', and Norma Rae for Best Picture.
  • The #1 movie at the box office in 1979. Made $173 million on an $8 million budget.
  • Meryl Streep was pregnant during filming, which is why she wears a raincoat throughout. She had just met sculptor Don Gummer shortly after John Cazale's death.
  • Streep pushed to make the Joanna character more sympathetic than in the source novel. The filmmakers let her rewrite the courtroom monologue.
  • Dustin Hoffman slapped Streep without warning during her first take, threw a wine glass against the wall coating her in glass, and whispered John Cazale's name between takes to upset her. Streep also told Time in 1979 that Hoffman groped her when they first met.
  • Justin Henry was 7 years old and became the youngest person ever nominated for an Oscar (age 8), a record that still stands.
  • Gail Strickland was originally cast as Margaret but was fired after two days. Jane Alexander replaced her.
  • The only Best Picture winner of the 1970s not selected by the Library of Congress for preservation.
  • The wine glass scene was filmed at J.G. Melon's on East 74th Street and 3rd Avenue in Manhattan, which still has a framed photo from the film.

Categories

Roger Ebert's review

Quote from Rog's review:

We get the feeling at times that personalities are changing and decisions are being made even as we watch them.

Ebert gave the full four stars, praising the film's emotional authenticity.

Most re-watchable scene
  • All three: The courtroom scenes – Streep on the stand and Hoffman on the stand. Mallory: 'There are a lot of Pantheon scenes in this movie, but it probably has to be the trial.'
  • Mallory: Ted reading Billy Joanna's letter, the run to the hospital after the jungle gym fall, and the ice cream screaming match.
  • Sean: The bicycle scene in the park – newly a dad, he was deeply moved by the bonding moments.
What aged the best?
  • Bill: Young Meryl Streep – 'Just fantastic looking.' Three 1979 movies, crushing it.
  • Bill: Justin Henry – youngest person ever nominated for an Oscar, record still stands. Sean: 'There's a case it's the best performance in the movie because of the highest degree of difficulty.'
  • Mallory: The divorce genre itself – this movie proved the fertile territory of divorce as cinematic subject matter.
  • Bill: The title. Also the poster of the happy family picture and the guitar score.
What aged the worst?
  • Bill: The Hoffman-Streep off-camera dynamics – the slapping, the wine glass, the John Cazale taunting, the groping.
  • Sean: A quiet domestic drama being the #1 movie at the box office – that feels a million miles away now.
  • Bill: Zero minorities in the entire film – 'might be the whitest movie anyone's ever made'.
  • Mallory: The appalling bathroom hygiene – Ted and Billy not flushing or washing hands, then immediately making French toast.
Casting what-ifs
  • James Caan passed because he was 'concerned the film was going to be a flop' – it became the #1 movie of 1979.
  • Al Pacino was offered the role and turned it down.
  • Jon Voight turned it down because he was already doing The Champ.
  • Kate Jackson claims she was offered Joanna but Charlie's Angels wouldn't let her. Sean: 'It's safe to assume this is the last time Meryl Streep and Kate Jackson were up for the same part.'
  • Faye Dunaway was offered it but did The Champ instead. Streep was originally supposed to play the JoBeth Williams role before being elevated.
Best "that guy"
  • Bill: George Coe, who plays Hoffman's boss. 'Weirdly was in season one of SNL.' Sean: 'He'll always be the judge in Mighty Ducks to me.'
  • Sean: Howard Duff – a big actor in the 1950s with 'one of the all-time great voices'.
Over-acting award

Bill: 'This movie is impeccably acted.' If forced, Howard Duff's Shaughnessy – delivering inane moments of deliberate courtroom drama.

Best "heat check" performance

Bill: JoBeth Williams – 'She's in and out of the movie in 4 minutes' with the nude scene and big glasses.

Re-casting couch

The Howard Duff role – Sean: 'What if you just put Burt Lancaster in there?' Bill suggests George C. Scott.

Half-assed (internet) research
  • The JoBeth Williams nude scene was optically darkened to avoid an R rating.
  • Justin Henry did a lot of improvising with Hoffman – reportedly the only person Hoffman was nice to on set.
  • It's the only Best Picture winner of the 1970s not selected for Library of Congress preservation.
  • The wine glass scene was filmed at J.G. Melon's, which still has a framed photo.
  • Streep was pregnant while filming, hence the raincoat throughout.
Apex Mountain
  • Dustin Hoffman – Bill: 'Yes. It's either this or Tootsie and I think it's this.' He grabs the championship belt from Pacino and De Niro for about a year.
  • Justin Henry – definitely yes.
  • Divorce movies – yes, absolutely. Top divorce movies: this, The Squid and the Whale, Marriage Story.
  • French toast – 'Has French toast ever been more prominently featured in a movie?'
  • Robert Benton – yes. Two Oscars, number one movie of the year.
  • Jungle gym accidents – definitely (Mallory).
Picking nits
  • Ted not knowing what grade his son is in – Bill: 'The most self-absorbed person on the planet knows what grade their kid is in.'
  • The jungle gym scene – any parent would see their kid up there and say 'you gotta get down'.
  • Sean: The Hoffman cross-examination – the attack on his career instability would be a merit in family court, not a demerit.
  • Mallory: When Joanna first calls Ted, he doesn't recognize his former wife's voice on the phone.
  • Mallory: No cinnamon or vanilla in the French toast recipe – 'Where are the flavors?'
(Probably) unanswerable questions
  • Mallory: How long until Joanna changed her mind again? 'Was it when she got upstairs?'
  • Bill/Mallory: Was Jane Alexander a good friend? She botched being on the stand, almost had Billy impale himself at the jungle gym.
  • Mallory: Is Billy's future with romantic partners forever tied to fried chicken after his encounter with Phyllis?
Sequel, prequel, prestige TV or untouchable?
  • Bill: Yes – you could get a whole episode of Joanna's California awakening, a whole episode about Ted and the Mid-Atlantic account.
  • Sean: It's not unlike the recent HBO Scenes from a Marriage adaptation.
What memorabilia would you want (or not want!) from the movie?
  • Bill: A framed version of Ted's pro/con list.
  • Mallory: Billy's drawings from the wall, or the little 'Rescue' chopper toy.
Who won the movie?
  • Mallory/Sean: Hoffman – you walk out of the movie feeling like he got his son.
  • Bill: As the years pass, Streep wins – 'If that character doesn't work, the movie falls apart.' She's only in about 5 scenes but she's incredible in all of them.