July 08, 2020
'Swingers'
The Ringer's Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan always double down on 11 as they revisit the 1996 classic 'Swingers,' starring Jon Favreau and Vince Vaughn.

Cast
Jon Favreau as Mike
Vince Vaughn as Trent
Ron Livingston as Rob
Patrick Van Horn as Sue
Heather Graham as Lorraine
Alex Desert as Charles
Brooke Langton as Nikki
Directed by: Doug Liman
Written by: Jon Favreau
Notes
- Made less than $5 million at the box office but became a massive hit on home video/VHS/DVD/cable.
- Production budget was only $250K; they spent more on music licensing ($500K+ just for Dean Martin) than on the movie itself.
- Miramax bought it for $4.5 million after a screening.
- Favreau wrote the script in about two weeks using a screenwriting program his dad gave him.
- The movie is autobiographical for Favreau, who left a girl behind when he moved from New York to LA.
- Favreau stole the phrase 'you're so money' from a Spike Lee / Michael Jordan commercial.
- The party scene was a real party they threw, inviting friends without telling them they were filming; Adam Scott and Mike White were there.
- They got the 'Jaws' theme music by sending approval to Spielberg, who saw footage, asked 'who's that?' about Vince Vaughn, and cast him in The Lost World: 'Jurassic Park'.
- Rejected by Sundance; premiered at the Fairfax $2 Dollar Theater – 500 people, 490 of them friends.
- Gretzky's head bleeding in the NHL '93 video game was actually hard to pull off; Vaughn had to repeatedly try during filming.
- Vegas exteriors were shot at the Stardust; interiors at the Glitter Gulch.
- No filming permits for exterior shots – guerrilla shooting throughout; cops showed up as they were wrapping.
- Liman added the new ending because he thought the movie was really a platonic love story between Mikey and Trent.
Categories
Roger Ebert's review
Quote from Rog's review:
“It's not a terribly original idea. Yet the movie is sweet, funny and observant.”
The hosts strongly disagreed – 'this movie is totally original'.
Most re-watchable scene
- The NHL '93 video game scene – 'the greatest video game scene in the history of movies,' Gretzky's head bleeding, Roenick domination.
- The blackjack scene – doubling down on 11 with $300, 'Who's the big winner? Mikey!'
- The Nikki answering machine scene – Mike calling repeatedly.
- The Heather Graham / Derby swing dance scene.
- The drive to Vegas – 'Vegas baby, Vegas'.
- The late-night diner scene – Trent jumping on the table (ad-libbed).
- The party-to-party sequence – bouncing from place to place in a convoy of cars.
What aged the best?
- The careers of Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau.
- 'Vegas baby, Vegas' – helped launch the Vegas cultural renaissance of the 2000s.
- The 'this place is dead anyway' guy (Alex Desert) – both times the place isn't dead at all.
- The Vaughn-Favreau dynamic and how it evolved over 25 years.
- Ron Livingston and Heather Graham caught at perfect times in their careers.
- The whole car convoy / driving party-to-party culture of LA.
- The music / soundtrack.
- Marty and Elayne at the Dresden.
What aged the worst?
- The Club (car anti-theft device) – doesn't exist anymore.
- Answering machines – don't exist anymore.
- The 'Reservoir Dogs' and 'Goodfellas' homages – people under 30 may not get the references anymore.
- The answering machine talking back to Mike at the beginning – a whimsical/fantasy moment that feels out of place.
- The $300 gambling stakes seem absurdly low now.
Casting what-ifs
- Jason Priestley wanted to play Trent – if he had signed on, they could have raised $1.5 million. The hosts are very glad this didn't happen.
- D.B. Sweeney was suggested by distributors for Trent.
- Favreau originally wanted to direct but eventually gave it up and let Liman direct.
Over-acting award
The guys Sue confronts in the parking lot – 'House of Pain' guys (winner by default; nobody really overacted).
Best "that guy"
- Deena Martin – in this and 'Dazed and Confused'; Bill wonders why more didn't happen for her (Bill's pick).
- Patrick Van Horn (Sue) – never in anything else again.
- Alex Desert – 'this place is dead anyway' guy; also notable in PCU.
- Brooke Langton – also on Melrose Place.
Best "heat check" performance
- Heather Graham – less than 10 minutes of screen time, phone call at the end throwing '90 mph Diane Keaton vibes' (winner).
- Alex Desert – 'this place is dead anyway'.
- Marty and Elayne.
- Sue (Patrick Van Horn) – only in about five scenes.
- Brooke Langton.
Re-casting couch
- The casting was perfect across the board – only question mark is Patrick Van Horn as Sue.
- If recasting Sue, maybe Jon Hamm – he was part of that same LA young actor ecosystem.
Half-assed (internet) research
- Favreau knew Vince from being in 'Rudy' together; Livingston and Favreau became friends as 'the only guys in LA the other guy knew'.
- Adam Scott lived downstairs from Favreau; they all hung out.
- They did full cast script readings for potential buyers/producers for a year.
- Music licensing cost more than the movie – $500K for Dean Martin alone.
- The party scene was a real party with unsuspecting friends; Adam Scott and Mike White were there.
- Original ending had a helicopter shot they couldn't afford; Liman changed it to Mikey/Trent reunion.
Apex Mountain
- Jon Favreau: 'We are living in it' – 'Iron Man', The Mandalorian; been Apex for ten years.
- Early/underground Vegas: 'Abso-fucking-lutely' – before Vegas became commercialized.
- Hockey video games: Yes.
- Swing Revival: Yes – 'Swingers' is probably Apex.
- The Derby: Yes.
- The Dresden: Yes.
- Sue (Patrick Van Horn): Definitely.
- Vince Vaughn: No – 'Wedding Crashers' or 'Old School'.
- Doug Liman: No – probably 'The Bourne Identity'.
Picking nits
The Vegas drive time – they leave at night, Trent says they'll get there by midnight; it's a 6-7 hour drive.
(Probably) unanswerable questions
- How long did Mikey and Lorraine last? Bill says 6 months.
- Does Double Down Trent make it as an actor? Consensus: No – bartending back in Chicago.
- Why did anyone want to hang out with Mikey? He can't gamble, can't golf, isn't funny, throws friends under the bus.
- What was the most unrealistic part of the Mikey/Lorraine scene? Heather Graham sitting alone at a bar with no guys around.
Sequel, prequel, prestige TV or untouchable?
- 'Please God, no' – strong opposition.
- Key insight: Entourage is basically the logical TV sequel/adaptation of this movie.
Who won the movie?
- Micro winner: Vince Vaughn – 'he leaps off the screen, operating at a level of wattage ten times the next closest person'.
- Macro winner: Jon Favreau – 'If he doesn't do this movie, he might not have a career.' Now one of the five most important people in Hollywood.