August 25, 2020

'The 40-Year-Old Virgin'

The Ringer's Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan "yah mo burn this place to the ground" after rewatching the 2005 hit comedy 'The 40-Year-Old Virgin' starring Steve Carell, Seth Rogen, Romany Malco, and Paul Rudd and directed by Judd Apatow.

Movie poster

Cast

Steve Carell as Andy Stitzer

Seth Rogen as Cal

Paul Rudd as David

Jane Lynch as Paula

Leslie Mann as Nicky

Kat Dennings as Marla

Gerry Bednob as Mooj

Directed by: Judd Apatow

Written by: Judd Apatow, Steve Carell

Notes

  • Universal halted production the first week because they thought Carell's character seemed 'too much like a serial killer' and said Paul Rudd was 'way too fat.' Rudd lost 10-11 pounds, causing continuity issues where he looks heavier in early scenes.
  • The chest waxing scene was done for real with five cameras. The actress performing the wax was not a real waxer and failed to oil the nipple, causing Carell's right nipple to get ravaged. They had to keep the wax tufts for the rest of filming since he's shirtless in later scenes.
  • They used over a million feet of film; Technicolor sends champagne when this happens. The American Humane Association withheld its 'no animals were harmed' certification because several tropical fish were accidentally killed during filming.
  • Romany Malco called Apatow after filming and begged him to cut all his scenes because his mother was an ordained minister and he was afraid of his family's reaction. Apatow refused.
  • Garry Shandling came up with the idea for the musical ending; his note was that it was important to show Andy was having better sex because he was in love.
  • The Smart Tech electronics store was not a set – it was a repurposed Staples that had just been shut down.
  • The movie had a big effect on The Office – the first season had Michael Scott as too nasty/menacing, and after seeing Carell's buffoonish sweetness in this film, the showrunners adjusted the character.

Categories

Roger Ebert's review

Quote from Rog's review:

I was surprised by how funny, how sweet, and how wise the movie really is. The more you think about it, the better The 40 Year Old Virgin gets.
Most re-watchable scene
  • The poker game / 'bag of sand' scene where Andy tries to describe what breasts feel like. Bill's pick and the overall winner.
  • The chest waxing scene – done for real with five cameras.
  • Paul Rudd accosting Jane Lynch about the Michael McDonald DVD: 'If I hear Yamo Be There one more time, I'm gonna Yamo burn this place to the ground.'
  • The Boner Jams '03 scene – 'That's Everybody Loves Raymond... that's probably not supposed to be in there.'
  • The bookstore scene where Andy follows Seth Rogen's advice to 'just ask questions' and 'be David Caruso in Jade.'
  • The speed dating scene with Mo Collins.
What aged the best?
  • The title – 'just an awesome title. It tells you every single thing about the movie.'
  • The cast – 12 people who became part of a whole comedy renaissance: Kevin Hart, Elizabeth Banks, Jonah Hill, Mindy Kaling, Kat Dennings all have small roles and went on to much bigger things.
  • The poster – 'Has a poster more perfectly sold a movie to an audience?'
  • Stormy Daniels has a scene in the movie, then '14 years later brought down our president.'
What aged the worst?
  • The 'you know how I know you're gay' running bit – 'not aged well' due to gay panic joke sensibility, though the scene originated from improv and wasn't in the original script.
  • Dead tech in the movie – big box of porn tapes, buying a VCR, recordable CDs, VHS/DVD dual player.
  • The eBay store concept – felt fresh in 2005 but eBay stores 'only had like a two-year shelf life.'
  • Catherine Keener – Bill says 'Get Out kind of ruined Catherine Keener for me' because of her creepy role in that film.
Casting what-ifs

Jason Segel was supposed to be in the film as one of the buddies. Apatow wanted him but Universal refused to allow the casting. Segel was 'really bummed out' about it.

Over-acting award
  • Elizabeth Banks – 'Your friend is so shiny... this guy knows exactly what I like.' Had to dial it up for the sexpot role.
  • Other nominees: Mooj, Leslie Mann, Jane Lynch, Kat Dennings, Kevin Hart.
Best "heat check" performance
  • Kevin Hart – Sean's pick because 'he steals Malco's career right in front of him.' Quote: 'First of all, you throwing too many big words at me, okay, now because I don't understand them, I'm going to take them as disrespect.'
  • Leslie Mann – Chris's pick. 'I should get sliced bananas... let's get some fucking French toast.'
Best "that guy"

Mooj (Gerry Bednob) – 'He is the definition of that guy.' The older Indian coworker who brings the heat.

Re-casting couch

2004 Courteney Cox for the Catherine Keener role – Bill says 'It's the kind of part I always wanted her to play in a movie.' But all three agree they wouldn't actually change the casting – Keener works because she's 'just weird enough.'

Half-assed (internet) research
  • The film was based on a sketch Carell created at Second City about a 40-year-old man hiding a big secret.
  • Seth Rogen was only 22 years old when they made this movie and had been working as a TV producer at 19-20.
  • Leslie Mann went out to a club and got drunk off-camera with Seth Rogen; she used the footage to inform her performance in the drunk club scene.
  • Budget: $26 million. Box office: $177 million.
Apex Mountain
  • Steve Carell – 'definitely.' This movie plus The Office starting the same year.
  • Judd Apatow – wins the category. 'This kicks off honestly 10 years of him at the center of American movie comedy.'
  • Paul Rudd – Chris argues this could be his Apex Mountain, though Sean counters with Ant-Man.
  • Romany Malco – 'has to be.'
  • Tech stores (Best Buy, Circuit City) – 'This is the Apex Mountain for that era of those kind of stores.'
Sequel, prequel, prestige TV or untouchable?

Bill thinks this is how it would play in 2020 – as a 10-episode Netflix show. 'I would watch the Smart Tech show... like a really raunchy Superstore kind of thing.'

Who won the movie?

Steve Carell won the movie.

(Probably) unanswerable questions
  • What does the Andy character look like in the 2020 incel era? Does he become an incel?
  • Why doesn't Andy have more 'Star Wars' stuff? He was born around 1965, making him 12 when 'Star Wars' came out.
  • Was Andy's electronics store a success? Bill thinks he 'gets wiped out by the '08 housing crisis.'