September 28, 2017

'Titanic'

The Ringer's Juliet Litman, Amanda Dobbins, and K. Austin Collins sing Celine Dion and let the disaster jokes fly as they go deep on 1997's Oscar Award-winning blockbuster 'Titanic' starring Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet. They discuss DiCaprio's "cute factor," James Cameron's obsession with the actual Titanic, and whether Rose would have chosen Jack if the ship hadn't sunk.

Movie poster

Cast

Leonardo DiCaprio as Jack Dawson

Kate Winslet as Rose DeWitt Bukater

Billy Zane as Cal Hockley

Kathy Bates as Molly Brown

Bill Paxton as Brock Lovett

Frances Fisher as Ruth DeWitt Bukater

Danny Nucci as Fabrizio

Gloria Stuart as Old Rose

Suzy Amis as Lizzy

David Warner as Lovejoy

Directed by: James Cameron

Written by: James Cameron

Notes

  • The repeat-viewing phenomenon: teenage girls in 1997-98 saw 'Titanic' 10, 12, even 15 times in theaters, all there for one thing – Leonardo DiCaprio.
  • 'Titanic' was the second most successful movie in history at the box office (after Avatar). It was $65 million over budget and was followed through most of 1997 as a total disaster, with everyone having the knives out for James Cameron.
  • The whole movie was basically James Cameron's pitch to get a studio to pay for him to go deep-sea diving to visit the real 'Titanic' wreck. He ended up spending more time with the ship than anyone who actually rode on it.
  • James Cameron was notoriously difficult during filming. Kate Winslet reportedly swore she would never work with him again.
  • Leonardo DiCaprio was not nominated for an Oscar for 'Titanic' and didn't attend the ceremony. The quote was 'it's just not for me, man.'
  • The runtime of the movie (2 hours and 47 minutes) is reportedly the same as how long it took the real 'Titanic' to sink – unverified but very on-brand for Cameron.
  • 1998 was the apex of monoculture – a few sources, a few big things, and everyone focused on them. The 'Titanic' Oscar race (vs. Shakespeare in Love and 'Good Will Hunting') was the most important Oscars of the hosts' childhoods.
  • Cameron met his current wife on set – she plays Old Rose's granddaughter. She beat him at the Oscars when The Hurt Locker defeated Avatar.
  • Amanda put songs from the 'Titanic' score (excluding Celine Dion) on a mixtape for someone in fifth grade. It was not well received.
  • James Cameron drew the sketch of Rose himself – he's left-handed, so they reversed the shot to make it look like Leo (a righty) was drawing.

Categories

Most re-watchable scene
  • Amanda: 'I'm king of the world' – tiny Leonardo DiCaprio standing on the front of a boat and yelling one of the top 20 most iconic film lines. Cheesy but hilarious, and the essence of the movie.
  • Cam: The string quartet scene when the ship is sinking. Cathartic and heartbreaking, with James Horner's beautiful score at its peak.
  • Juliet: The dinner scene when Jack comes to first class. He rejects the caviar, doesn't know the silverware, and Kathy Bates tells him 'start from the outside in.' Unflappable charm.
What aged the best?
  • Leo and Kate's chemistry – 'there is no movie here without them just hitting it off.' When she jumps off the lifeboat, you know it's stupid but you love it.
  • The music – James Horner's score is phenomenal and hits every emotional note. The Celine Dion song never gets old. Amanda put the score on a mixtape in fifth grade.
What aged the worst?
  • The CGI boat and skies – 'that is a fake-ass boat.' The technical feat that was groundbreaking in 1997 doesn't hold up anymore.
  • James Cameron's reputation – gone from visionary of Aliens, 'True Lies', 'Titanic', and Terminator 2 to 'this wacky dude who made a movie about blue people who have sex using their tails' with four written sequels.
  • Some of the dialogue is laughable – 'he's never really understood how to write people.' Not even Kate Winslet and Leonardo DiCaprio can totally sell some of the lines.
  • Rose calling the 'Titanic' a 'slave ship' at the beginning – 'already bad, but even worse now.'
Casting what-ifs
  • Matthew McConaughey was a major contender for Jack Dawson.
  • Stephen Dorff was passed over for Leo and gave a legendary quote: 'I want to have a career like Johnny Depp, Sean Penn and Jack Nicholson. That would have been impossible if I'd got 'Titanic'. Look at Leo, his career can only go downhill from here.'
  • Chris O'Donnell was also in the mix for Jack – the hosts think he could have been great in the role but couldn't have skyrocketed the movie to $2 billion.
  • Jeremy Sisto (Elton from 'Clueless') did a screen test with Kate Winslet that you can watch online.
  • Rob Lowe was considered for the Cal Hockley role that went to Billy Zane.
  • Robert De Niro was reportedly offered the role of Captain Smith but turned it down due to 'a gastrointestinal infection' – unverified IMDb trivia at its finest.
Half-assed (internet) research
  • Kate Winslet became the youngest person to ever be nominated for an Oscar twice (Sense and Sensibility + 'Titanic').
  • The scene where Kate Winslet spits at Billy Zane ('I'd rather be his whore than your wife') was reportedly improvised – she was supposed to stab him with a hairpin instead.
  • The first scene Kate and Leo ever filmed together was the 'draw me like one of your French girls' scene. Cameron himself did the drawing, reversing the shot because he's left-handed.
  • The whole movie was Cameron's excuse to get a studio to pay for deep-sea diving to the real 'Titanic' wreck. He spent more time with the ship than any of its actual passengers.
  • The runtime (2 hours 47 minutes) reportedly matches the actual sinking time of the 'Titanic' – unverified but the hosts agree Cameron would be into that kind of symmetry.
Apex Mountain
  • James Cameron – 'culturally, obviously reached his apex.' He hasn't gotten past this psychologically and is still obsessed with the wreck.
  • Billy Zane – the role of Cal is definitely his apex. 'When I Googled it, like when I went to IMDb, it was Billy Zane, 'Titanic', 1997.'
Picking nits
  • Why is no one seasick? They're in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. One host confirms that even on a cruise liner, you absolutely feel the rocking.
  • Why did they need to make Rose an American when Kate Winslet is clearly British? There were plenty of British heiresses at the time.
  • The Heart of the Ocean necklace never falls out of the jacket pocket through all the running, swimming, and chaos.
  • Could Jack have fit on the door? MythBusters said yes, but 'James Cameron should be exempt from all the well-actually stuff – this man is dreaming big.'
(Probably) unanswerable questions
  • If the 'Titanic' makes it to New York, does Rose stay with Jack? The hosts conclude she probably doesn't – without the ship sinking revealing what a dick Cal is, she goes back to her mom and the corset.
  • How long would it take Rose to realize she made a mistake leaving a rich fiancé for a guy she met 36 hours ago on a boat?
Who won the movie?

A toss-up between Kate Winslet and Leonardo DiCaprio. Kate's career was more dramatically affected – 'she's more the girl on the boat than he's the boy on the boat.' Leo became able to do whatever he wanted for 20 years. But also James Horner and Celine Dion, whose song became one of the biggest hits of all time and launched her American career.