August 24, 2017

'Point Break'

Hot takes fly as The Ringer's Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano, Jason Concepcion, and Mark Titus dive deep into 1991's 'Point Break' by debating which scenes have aged the best and worst, where 'Point Break' ranks among bank robbery films, and who won the epic showdown between Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze.

Movie poster

Cast

Keanu Reeves as Johnny Utah

Gary Busey as Angelo Pappas

Lori Petty as Tyler

Tom Sizemore as DEA Agent Warchild

John C. McGinley as FBI Chief Ben Harp

James LeGros as Roach

Directed by: Kathryn Bigelow

Notes

  • Fast and Furious is basically a 'Point Break' ripoff with cars instead of surfing – 'beat by beat. Right down to the Coronas.' Even the restaurant where Keanu meets Lori Petty is reportedly the same one used in Fast and Furious.
  • The movie was originally called 'Johnny Utah,' then changed to 'Riders on the Storm,' before settling on 'Point Break.'
  • Kathryn Bigelow was married to James Cameron, who was directing Terminator 2. That marriage fell apart during filming when Cameron fell in love with Linda Hamilton.
  • Swayze became Bodhi during filming – he did over 30 parachute jumps and the production company had to send a cease and desist to get him to stop. He really kicks Keanu in the chest in the fight scene.
  • Keanu took up surfing as a hobby after the film. Lori Petty had never been in the ocean before filming.
  • Bigelow's pioneering use of the Pogo Cam (handheld chase camera) in the foot chase scene – 'it's common now, but in 1991 it was like holy shit.' She also did a flash-cut when someone gets punched that matches what actually happens when you get hit in the chin.
  • The debate on whether this is a 'good bad movie' or just a genuinely well-made movie – 'it's an exceptionally well-done bad movie' that Bigelow elevated with smart filmmaking choices.
  • There's a 'Point Break' Live! show where they pull someone from the audience to play Johnny Utah with cue cards.
  • Best bank robbery scene of all time: unanimous Heat. 'That's the best. Michael Mann, everything about it.'
  • Swayze's peak run: Dirty Dancing, Roadhouse, Ghost, 'Point Break' – 'if he was an athlete, we'd be talking about the Swayze run.' He won Youngblood, Dirty Dancing, Ghost, and 'Point Break'.

Categories

Most re-watchable scene
  • The beach football game – Bill's pick. 'Every time it's on before the scene, I'm staying. Even if I have to go.' It's the introduction to the crew, Swayze's incredible charisma, and it culminates in the tackle that blows Utah's cover.
  • The airplane/parachute scene – Shea's pick. 'All of the parts of the movie in three minutes. The two guys battling for alpha male status, Keanu eventually backing down, the injury, Bodhi letting him know he beat him.'
  • The bank robbery that leads to the foot chase – 'personally my choice' according to one host. Also gives us the moment where Johnny Utah has the shot on Bodhi and doesn't take it.
  • The ending – Keanu handcuffs Swayze in the water, lets him go surf the 50-year storm, throws his badge into the ocean. 'He's not coming back.'
What aged the best?
  • Swayze versus Keanu – 'like when Bird and Magic finally played each other in the '84 Finals.' Two actors at the same spot, matching forces. Aged like a fine wine.
  • The ex-presidents bank robber masks – better than the 'Halloween' Michael Myers mask, better than the Scream mask. 'Number one movie mask.' Runner-up: the nuns in 'The Town'.
  • The concept of the 50-year storm – 'made me try to Google when's the next time this is happening.'
  • The pace of the movie – 26 years later it doesn't feel dated. 'If this movie came out right now, other than cell phones, you might not change anything.'
What aged the worst?
  • Utah's water tackle of Bodhi.
  • Gary Busey playing someone with a job – credibility-wise, it's an oddity. But he's actually good in this movie and the chemistry with Keanu is really good.
  • Bodhi's speech about dead souls on the freeway – 'This was never about money for us. We stand for something to those dead souls inching along the freeways in their metal coffins.' A little over the top.
  • The gun battle/lawnmower scene – a massive gun battle is going on and some dude is just out there mowing the lawn.
Casting what-ifs
  • In 1986, Ridley Scott was supposed to direct 'Point Break' with Matthew Broderick as Johnny Utah and Charlie Sheen as Bodhi – 'that's a bad movie.'
  • In 1991, the producers wanted Charlie Sheen in the Keanu role, or Johnny Depp. Kathryn Bigelow insisted on Keanu Reeves – 'she saw an action star.'
  • Johnny Depp vs Keanu for the lead – consensus is Keanu, because 'you need a guy who can do that doofus surfer voice while being 100% serious. That's the only person who's ever been able to do that.'
Best "heat check" performance
  • John C. McGinley as FBI Chief Ben Harp – 'Give me Dr. Cox every time over everybody.' 'Young, dumb, and full of cum.'
  • James LeGros as Roach – the Val Kilmer in Heat kind of role. The supporting guy you're rooting for even though he's a bank robber. 'You tell me it was gonna be like this, man.'
  • Anthony Kiedis – 'every time I watch 'Point Break', I forget Anthony Kiedis is in it.' He shoots himself in the foot.
  • Tom Sizemore – 'early Sizemore, his first really great role.'
Apex Mountain
  • Patrick Swayze – Yes, this is the apex. 'His most perfect role. All the pieces just fit.' He seemed like a naturally spiritual person. Perfect surfer hair, perfect jawline, perfect pecs. He doesn't show up until the 23-minute mark like a shark. But Roadhouse is the 'Kobe 2006' counterargument – he won the title with 'Point Break' on a great team, but Roadhouse is him carrying the whole movie.
  • Keanu Reeves – No. 'The Matrix.' Or Speed. Or 'John Wick' 2.
  • Lori Petty – Apex Mountain for her is probably Tank Girl, which tanked. Or Patti Mayonnaise.
  • Gary Busey – No. Eye of the Tiger. Or maybe The Buddy Holly Story (Oscar nom).
Picking nits
  • MythBusters broke down the parachute scene: they could not have free-fought for 90 straight seconds – impossible unless dropping from another planet. But Shea disputes the 'can't talk while freefalling' claim from personal skydiving experience.
  • None of the surfers recognizing Johnny Utah as an all-conference quarterback at Ohio State. 'These fucking surfer guys knew who Johnny Utah was? They're not watching football on Saturdays.'
  • How long was the beach football field? 'Like 500 yards.'
  • Busey recognizing that the robbers might be surfers from their tan lines on black-and-white bank robbery cameras.
  • Utah's knee injury from Ohio State – described as the kind of injury that would take two years of surgery in the early 90s. He shouldn't be chasing anyone.
  • Both Keanu and Busey are terrible at being police – 'they're in a bank while it's being robbed, reading comics and buying sandwiches.'
(Probably) unanswerable questions
  • Is this the best surfing movie ever? – It's really a bank robbery surfing movie, which is why it stands alone.
  • Why did Bodhi hit the vault at the end and betray his own philosophy? – 'He knew it was over.' Self-destructive, like Colonel Jessup ordering the Code Red.
  • Why did Utah quit the FBI at the end? – Bodhi's 'dead souls inching along the freeway' philosophy got to him. He'd been looking for that the whole movie.
  • Did Bodhi actually die? – Kathryn Bigelow confirmed he did.
  • How good was Johnny Utah at Ohio State? – He was all-conference. Number 9. Probably 'the greatest Ohio State quarterback ever to that point.' A second-round pick type if he didn't get hurt.
Who won the movie?

Patrick Swayze / Bodhi – '100%. He put his fingerprints on everybody else in the movie.' Utah let him go at the end after he was responsible for the death of at least 10-12 people. That's how much he won the movie.